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We are all now aware that the EF is usually celebrated on an altar that is fixed and against the wall so that it is all but impossible to move around it.

Now can the OF be celebrated on such an altar despite the fact that the GIRM states that it should be freestanding and not against the wall?

I am wondering this since Vatican II never mandated the destruction of High Altars?
 
We are all now aware that the EF is usually celebrated on an altar that is fixed and against the wall so that it is all but impossible to move around it.

Now can the OF be celebrated on such an altar despite the fact that the GIRM states that it should be freestanding and not against the wall?

I am wondering this since Vatican II never mandated the destruction of High Altars?
It was custom to build altars against the wall before Vatican II, but there was not a rule. In the 1962 edition (last edition before Vatican II) of the Roman Missal, in fact, there was a diagram showing the proper incensing technique for both against-the-wall altars and freestanding altars as well. Mass can be celebrated ad orientem (with priest facing the same direction as the people, leading them in prayer) on both kinds of altars.

The Ordinary Form can, in fact, be celebrated on either type of altar. It can also be celebrated ad orientem, just as the Extraordinary Form almost always is. Even the way the GIRM is written, it is more of a suggestion that the altar be built in such a manner as to be able to walk around it. It doesn’t require it, rather it says that a freestanding altar is “desirable whenever possible.” Might I add, as well, that the GIRM does not have a preference for ad orientem celebration or versus populum celebration.

You’re right, Vatican II never mandated the destruction of high altars. In fact, it never even suggested it or even mentioned it. To be sure, Vatican II never mentioned many of the things we have today. My church, for example, an early 1900s Neo-Gothic type, has a majestic high altar with soaring reredos, which houses the veiled tabernacle, and is dressed with altar linens. In front of it, there is a smaller altar, also dressed with altar linens, that is (unfortunately) used for celebration. I am glad, though, that even though this altar is used, that the high altar was not surgically ripped out. In fact, both altars are going to be moved whenever our new church is built.
 
It was custom to build altars against the wall before Vatican II, but there was not a rule. In the 1962 edition (last edition before Vatican II) of the Roman Missal, in fact, there was a diagram showing the proper incensing technique for both against-the-wall altars and freestanding altars as well. Mass can be celebrated ad orientem (with priest facing the same direction as the people, leading them in prayer) on both kinds of altars.

The Ordinary Form can, in fact, be celebrated on either type of altar. It can also be celebrated ad orientem, just as the Extraordinary Form almost always is. Even the way the GIRM is written, it is more of a suggestion that the altar be built in such a manner as to be able to walk around it. It doesn’t require it, rather it says that a freestanding altar is “desirable whenever possible.” Might I add, as well, that the GIRM does not have a preference for ad orientem celebration or versus populum celebration.

You’re right, Vatican II never mandated the destruction of high altars. In fact, it never even suggested it or even mentioned it. To be sure, Vatican II never mentioned many of the things we have today. My church, for example, an early 1900s Neo-Gothic type, has a majestic high altar with soaring reredos, which houses the veiled tabernacle, and is dressed with altar linens. In front of it, there is a smaller altar, also dressed with altar linens, that is (unfortunately) used for celebration. I am glad, though, that even though this altar is used, that the high altar was not surgically ripped out. In fact, both altars are going to be moved whenever our new church is built.
Wow so a OF can be said in a sanctuary with just an altar against the wall Ad orientem?
 
The Ordinary Form can, in fact, be celebrated on either type of altar. It can also be celebrated ad orientem, just as the Extraordinary Form almost always is. Even the way the GIRM is written, it is more of a suggestion that the altar be built in such a manner as to be able to walk around it. It doesn’t require it, rather it says that a freestanding altar is “desirable whenever possible.” Might I add, as well, that the GIRM does not have a preference for ad orientem celebration or versus populum celebration.
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Actually, the Missal, even for the Novus Ordo, instructs priests to “turn and face the people” at certain times.

So the NO is, by default, supposed be celebrated Ad Orientem, but certain indults exist for masses versus populum.
 
Actually, the Missal, even for the Novus Ordo, instructs priests to “turn and face the people” at certain times.

So the NO is, by default, supposed be celebrated Ad Orientem, but certain indults exist for masses versus populum.
Actually, no. The OF can be celebrated either way, there is no default. Its up to the celebrant. That instruction is there for cases its celebrated Ad Orientem. The Pope himself celebrates facing the people.
 
Wow so a OF can be said in a sanctuary with just an altar against the wall Ad orientem?
Sure can. It’s growing, actually. Slowly, to be sure, but it’s growing. An OF mass can also be celebrated exclusively in Latin, with Gregorian chant only, with incense, bells galore, etc. Black vestments can also be used. Maniples and birettas can also still be worn. Bishops can still wear episcopal gloves.
Actually, no. The OF can be celebrated either way, there is no default. Its up to the celebrant. That instruction is there for cases its celebrated Ad Orientem. The Pope himself celebrates facing the people.
Correct. There is no default.
 
Sure can. It’s growing, actually. Slowly, to be sure, but it’s growing. An OF mass can also be celebrated exclusively in Latin, with Gregorian chant only, with incense, bells galore, etc. Black vestments can also be used. Maniples and birettas can also still be worn. Bishops can still wear episcopal gloves.
Shouldn’t they be following the liturgical colors prescribed?

I’m not to familiar how this is implemented in the EF though, care to catechize me? 😉
 
Shouldn’t they be following the liturgical colors prescribed?

I’m not to familiar how this is implemented in the EF though, care to catechize me? 😉
I simply meant that, contrary to popular opinion, black vestments can be worn in masses celebrated using the Ordinary Form. Of course only on the right occasions, when the color is prescribed.

Black is optional for wear in masses for the dead in the Ordinary Form.

Black is obligatory, with no exceptions, for wear in masses for the dead in the Extraordinary Form.
 
I simply meant that, contrary to popular opinion, black vestments can be worn in masses celebrated using the Ordinary Form. Of course only on the right occasions, when the color is prescribed.

Black is optional for wear in masses for the dead in the Ordinary Form.

Black is obligatory, with no exceptions, for wear in masses for the dead in the Extraordinary Form.
Oh, okay 👍

But are the Liturgical Colors the same for OF and EF for the same feast or season?
 
Sure can. It’s growing, actually. Slowly, to be sure, but it’s growing. An OF mass can also be celebrated exclusively in Latin, with Gregorian chant only, with incense, bells galore, etc. Black vestments can also be used. Maniples and birettas can also still be worn. Bishops can still wear episcopal gloves.

Correct. There is no default.
if an OF Mass were said just in latin how would the liturgy of the word go?
 
Sometimes.😃
I’ve never seen him do it Ad Orientem. Except when Pope John Paul II celebrated the Divine Liturgy 😉

Got any videos of the Pope celebrating the OF Ad Orientem? I’d love to watch that.
 
I’ve never seen him do it Ad Orientem. Except when Pope John Paul II celebrated the Divine Liturgy 😉

Got any videos of the Pope celebrating the OF Ad Orientem? I’d love to watch that.
No, but they probably exist. Whenever he celebrates in the sistene chapel, he always does. Search for videos of him celebrating there.
 
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