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Cool story: huffingtonpost.com/marjorie-clifton/birth-control-catholic-church_b_1258868.html
My cousin was a junior at Fordham University on a full scholarship when she became unexpectedly pregnant two and half years ago. She had been unable to get birth control from Fordham health services – no university doctor would prescribe birth control, and she could not afford to pay for an out-of-network doctor. One failed condom later, she was pregnant.
Well, a Catholic school can expect students to follow Catholic teaching on sexual ethics. But the next part is scary:
My cousin chose to keep the baby, despite her knowledge that six of her other classmates had undergone abortions that year. Upon reporting her pregnancy to the administration, however, they made it clear that she was no longer welcome in student housing. Once she was no longer living in the dorms, her housing scholarship was revoked. Faced with paying New York City rent, she was a 20-year-old student living by her beliefs without a financial safety net.
Against all odds, living on food stamps, and without any support from the University, she managed to graduate and is now teaching theology at a Catholic high school.
Fordham is no different from other Catholic and Jesuit Universities around the country. Three years ago, as a hopeful adoptive parent, I called more than 15 major Catholic universities trying to find an office that provided support for pregnant students. Much to my dismay, I learned that these institutions no longer provide such services to students. Worse still, none of the university administrators was able to identify either a counselor or a healthcare professional who worked with pregnant students on campus.
(emphasis mine)

Related story: in Poland, abortion is generally illegal with some narrow exceptions. The law which regulates this, contains an article which says it’s illegal for a school to expell a pregnant student (in high school she gets individual tutoring, at the university she gets a year off). Last year a failed attempt was made to amend the law eliminating the exceptions… and the amendment would also remove the clause protecting pregnant students!

Apparently, being pro-life today is all about limiting access to medical services.
 
Sigh…did anyone point out that Fordham University is right smack in the middle of New York City and not out on some isolated prairie?

Fordham should not provide ABC in their health center.

Out of network doctor? Wouldn’t she still be on her parents insurance, why not see her own doctor? No doctor when she would go home on break?

College semesters are normally september-december january - may. She wouldn’t be visibly pregnant for two semesters, so she could have taken a 1 semester leave and then if she wanted to stay at Fordham, continue after the baby’s birth.

The moral of the story, Fordham does not offer housing for pregnant students, so it must then offer ABC.

I don’t think Fordham offers housing for married people, so it should by the same logic not have weddings in their on campus Church.
 
“unexpectedly pregnant”! What a crock. The cause of pregnancy is pretty widely known, as is how to prevent it. Certainly someone smart enough to get into Fordham would know this?

And being unable to get contraceptives, in New York City? Get real!

Frankly, I’m amazed that a Jesuit school upholds any of the Church teachings.

A few more thoughts I just had on this:
  1. Why should a college provide a safety net? Do they provide legal aid when one of the students gets drunk and crashes a car?
  2. It’s sad that it took all the way until college to learn that actions have consequences.
  3. How did the father slip out of the story? How come birth control was her problem alone? How come paying for things was her problem alone?
  4. This article would be a good teaching moment in high schools. It is possible to learn from others’ mistakes.
 
“she was a 20-year-old student living by her beliefs without a financial safety net.”

I find this really hard to believe because, if she were living by her beliefs she wouldn’t have gotten pregnant without the benefit of marriage. And if she were a Catholic, she wouldn’t have even been using a condom.

There are plenty of other over-the-counter contraceptives available. A 20-yr old should know that when using barrier contraceptives, it is necessary to “double up” by also using a spermicide.

Living in NYC she had access to all sorts of contraceptive and adoption support services. A university isn’t required to duplicate these efforts.

While I’m pro-choice and pro-adoption, I find this whole story extremely hard to believe. Heck, I know hundreds of families who would have gladly paid for her NYC board and care if she had chosen to place the baby for adoption.
 
Given that she did the wrong thing and became pregnant, it is true that she did then do the right thing by not killing her child. That part is admirable.

That the university could not help her with housing after that fact is unfortunate, but I find it hard to believe that she couldn’t find enough help to get by - and in fact, it sounds as if she did, even if she was uncomfortable at the time.

I fail to see the problem - actions have consequences. She accepted them, things got a little (or perhaps a lot) more difficult, but she made it through and her child lives. Sounds like things worked out ok.
 
“she was a 20-year-old student living by her beliefs without a financial safety net.”

I find this really hard to believe because, if she were living by her beliefs she wouldn’t have gotten pregnant without the benefit of marriage. And if she were a Catholic, she wouldn’t have even been using a condom.
Wow! As a church historian, I’m impressed with how much Catholics must have improved since the old days. One finds plenty of Catholics in every other century who committed sins. Apparently these days sin has vanished among “real” Catholics?

Mind you, you say below that you’re pro-choice, so I guess you’re not a “real” Catholic either! Certainly you are in no position to criticize this brave young woman who kept her child and was not supported by her Catholic institution for doing so.

Edwin
 
I find most of the comments posted here so far shocking. They seem to be easily summed up as “she got what she deserved” and “she wasn’t a good Catholic anyway”.

So much for Christian charity. 🤷 The responses should have been “Well done her” and “shame on the university”. No wonder some of the students have abortions if this is the reaction they get from their peers for keeping the child!

If they were willing to support students who had abortions (and this fact was well-known enough to be known to other students) then they should have been more than willing to help her afterwards. Especially shocking is the lack of pastoral care.
 
Especially shocking is the lack of pastoral care.
I for one would agree. Despite the lapse of obedience to good Catholic moral teaching, we are still called to forgive. She should have received care and support, especially in light of her decision to preserve the life of the child. We should not place these wounded souls (even if the wounds are self inflicted) in a position where they feel forced to even consider resorting to “solutions” that are far worse than the original offense.

Regretable also is that this story will likely be used by the current Administration to toughen its resolve regarding the HHS mandate.
 
When you attend a college, you agree to abide by its rules and regulations. If the college had a rule that pregnant students are not allowed to live in student housing, then the student in question should have no complaint that the college upheld its rule.

Years ago I taught in an all-girls’ Catholic high school. The school had a rule that no pregnant students were allowed, and all parents and students were made aware of the rule–in fact, a contract was signed in which the parents and students agreed to follow the rules. One of the students did become pregnant and was expelled.

This is not a matter of a lack of compassion or a student “getting what she deserved.” If you freely sign a contract in which you agree to follow certain rules, you should either follow them or be prepared to deal with the consequences. My contract with the school had a morality clause, and if I, as an unmarried teacher, had become pregnant, I would have been fired, and rightfully so.

Apparently some folk here think it is perfectly okay for a student to agree to follow a school’s rules, break them anyway, and then blame the school for upholding the rules she agreed to follow.
 
I’m sorry, but I am going to take this opinion story apart, piece by piece. I will quote the areas where the writer, a professed Catholic, simply does not understand how her own Church works.
It is not about government controls, and it is not about infringement of our religious beliefs. It is about a church that has lost touch with reality. The leadership of the Catholic Church either is ignoring or is unaware of the disconnect between Catholic teaching and Catholic reality.
Since the Church has not changed its teaching on contraception or abortion, ever (having reaffirmed teachings that date back to Old Testament Scripture), the writer falls into the fallacy that the Church is a political body that should change to the current norms of a society. We do not. We teach what God taught us, and such truths do not change.
First, there is an important yet often overlooked reality about Catholic moral teaching: it mandates that Catholics make decisions with an “informed conscience.” This means that we must educate ourselves about the issues so that we understand Catholic social teaching and make decisions based on reflection, prayer, and counsel. Moreover, under Catholic teaching, our decisions about issues like birth control are ultimately our own and should be considered with humanae vitae in mind.
The Church does teach of the “primacy of conscience” (CCC 1790) but cautions the faithful that an informed conscience requires practice, study and prayer. In the bolded text, the writer rationalizes the use of an informed conscience against a strict teaching that birth control may not be used for avoiding pregnancy. With proper guidance, such medications may be proscribed in medical issues where the woman’s health is in jeapardy, with the unintended consequence of blocking pregnancy. The writer is not illustrating that case here, but of unintended pregnancy, which begs the question of how an informed conscience can justify sex outside of the marital act with CCC 2353.
Second, there is a practical reality. Just because an option is there, does not mean we have to take it. If an informed Catholic woman does not believe that she should be taking birth control, she shouldn’t and doesn’t have to. But that does not mean the option should be unavailable to others. To further illustrate the point, the Catholic Church has established policy (referred to as “indirect or remote cooperation”) to address precisely this sort of issue. This allows Catholics to indirectly provide support to activities that diverge from Catholic social teaching – such as paying taxes that fund wars or the death penalty. If we are not directly contributing, it is acceptable under Catholic doctrine. And in this instance, it’s the insurance companies who pay for the contraceptives, not the universities or the hospitals.
The writer again confuses Catholic teaching as policy. She doesn’t equate the magnitude of sin and our cooperation with it with the effect it can bring to others or, in the case of the point of her article, ourselves. This past Sunday, I bought Girl Scout Cookies, which I should normally not do since the national organization supports matters such as Planned Parenthood. But I chose to buy from the chapter of a parish I attend, knowing that I reduce the damage by supporting a chapter that I know does not support or teach the national teachings. Same is true for drinking Pepsi, of which a company contracted with the soft drink maker has reportedly used fetal cells in improving sweeteners. I can opt to drink something else if possible but can’t take full responsibility for that company’s misdirection should I drink their product.

In the case of the pregnant cousin, assuming she was fully aware of Catholic teaching, she knew that sex outside of marriage was not allowed and could not be reconciled through an informed conscience because an informed conscience knows that sex is not a part of the vital necessities of life (such as food, clothing, shelter) coming in conflict with the political or governmental red-tape that highly restricts some people in desperate need. Sex is a a voluntary act. The woman knew she was in conflict and showed this by reporting this to the administration. She apparently accepted the ramifications of her act and continues to support Catholic teaching as a teacher herself. For the school to allow the writer’s cousin to stay in student housing would affect the others there and their studies. The school wasn’t obligated to reward the woman for her pregnancy, so the student had to accept the actions of our conscience, informed or no.

That said, the writer believes that the Church and the Catholic organizations who employ many should provide abortions, birth control and other anti-life resources because individuals must make their own choices. The writer does not understand that the Church cannot take acts that put people in the occasion of objective sin. Abortions and the Pill are grave matter in itself. An informed conscience knows this and will never use them, as the writer’s cousin did not (apparently). An informed conscience accepts the ramifications of their actions (as the writer’s cousin did).

The only person at fault here is the writer herself, for using the “informed consciousness” principle as a basis for rationalizing poor judgement, objectively sinful actions and behavior, and trying to justify the monetary support to that person. But the writer’s cousin isn’t the one complaining here. It’s just the writer.

A good resource to use when examining the flaws of the OP’s article is by Jim and Susan Vogt can be found here.
 
Cool story: huffingtonpost.com/marjorie-clifton/birth-control-catholic-church_b_1258868.html

Well, a Catholic school can expect students to follow Catholic teaching on sexual ethics. But the next part is scary:

(emphasis mine)

Related story: in Poland, abortion is generally illegal with some narrow exceptions. The law which regulates this, contains an article which says it’s illegal for a school to expell a pregnant student (in high school she gets individual tutoring, at the university she gets a year off). Last year a failed attempt was made to amend the law eliminating the exceptions… and the amendment would also remove the clause protecting pregnant students!

Apparently, being pro-life today is all about limiting access to medical services.
A Catholic school is kind of between a rock and a hard place. How can they extend benefits and privelidges to a student who has acted immorally in the eyes of the Church, and at the same time teach the other students to follow those rules? Here you have a student, in a Catholic school, that engaged in premarital sex and became pregnant. If there were no consequence to her primary action leading up to her situation, what will the other students learn from it? They will learn there are no consequences. I agree that the policies of the institutions do contribute to abortion, but she also shows that her faith in her convictions made her accomplish her goals in the end. She had it tough, but she made it tough. She herself is an example of second chances, as well as making it tough on yourself by poor decisions. She wasn’t abandoned. She just had to work harder to accomplish her goals. There is an easy out = abortion. And there is a hard way = taking responsibility for poor decisions. Perhaps the other students will learn from her example and follow the rules. At least she had the State to help her with the cost of her pregnancy and childcare costs.
 
“she was a 20-year-old student living by her beliefs without a financial safety net.”

I find this really hard to believe because, if she were living by her beliefs she wouldn’t have gotten pregnant without the benefit of marriage. And if she were a Catholic, she wouldn’t have even been using a condom.
That’s being a bit harsh. Everyone makes mistakes and no one is without sin. I think she’s an excellent example of a Catholic. She pulled through and did the right thing when the consequences of her actions changed her life. She did the Catholic thing in dealing with it and her living example will be passed on to her child and those around her even. It would have been easy for her, in the face of such losses, to have just ended her pregnancy. But she didn’t. She did the right thing and forged on. She’s probably a lot stronger and wiser now.
There are plenty of other over-the-counter contraceptives available. A 20-yr old should know that when using barrier contraceptives, it is necessary to “double up” by also using a spermicide.
I disagree. Not many 20-year olds know much of anything. Otherwise they wouldn’t be acting the way they do. Note that the many abortions mentioned in the article.
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Living in NYC she had access to all sorts of contraceptive and adoption support services. A university isn’t required to duplicate these efforts.
I agree with that. She’s blaming the school for her problems when it was really her fault all the way around, from her actions to her lack of protecting herself, etc. Schools aren’t responsible for doling out contraceptives.
 
Cool story: huffingtonpost.com/marjorie-clifton/birth-control-catholic-church_b_1258868.html

Well, a Catholic school can expect students to follow Catholic teaching on sexual ethics. But the next part is scary:

(emphasis mine)

Related story: in Poland, abortion is generally illegal with some narrow exceptions. The law which regulates this, contains an article which says it’s illegal for a school to expell a pregnant student (in high school she gets individual tutoring, at the university she gets a year off). Last year a failed attempt was made to amend the law eliminating the exceptions… and the amendment would also remove the clause protecting pregnant students!

Apparently, being pro-life today is all about limiting access to medical services.
I’m not blaming either the girl or the university, in the first instance because we all make mistakes in life, including grave ones, whether we are Catholic or not; and in the second instance because, although one would expect a Catholic University to be more forgiving and at least offer pastoral counseling, the reality is that funds are limited for all kinds of services. I wonder, however, why this young woman had no immediate or extended family to help her and her baby in terms of finances and alternative options, such as adoption agencies?
 
I find most of the comments posted here so far shocking. They seem to be easily summed up as “she got what she deserved” and “she wasn’t a good Catholic anyway”.

So much for Christian charity. 🤷 The responses should have been “Well done her” and “shame on the university”. No wonder some of the students have abortions if this is the reaction they get from their peers for keeping the child!

If they were willing to support students who had abortions (and this fact was well-known enough to be known to other students) then they should have been more than willing to help her afterwards. Especially shocking is the lack of pastoral care.
We do not know if there was a “lack of pastoral care” at all. The only thing we know is that according to the author, she could not use on-campus housing while pregnant.

She was not expelled.

On campus housing at Fordham means dormitories, shared bed rooms and communal bathrooms. Logistically, it would have been 1 semester of not being able to live on campus. Fordham is a closed campus. Housing is limited. I think the University is allowed to determine which students qualify for housing.

The point of the article is that she became pregnant because Fordham university does not offer birth control pills. They don’t offer birth control pills so it must segue that they offer on campus housing for the girls who do become pregnant. We honestly do not know what alternative she was given by the school.

We just have third hand knowledge of a “cousin”

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I’m very happy she kept the baby and continued her studies.
 
I am not sure which part of the story you find “cool”. :confused:

But I am going to call “baloney” on HP. I am pretty sure this story is fiction. Just a few clicks worth of research turned up the following holes (lies) in the story.
  1. Fordam, although a Catholic institution, covers contraceptive in its student health plan. You can’t get them prescribed or filled on campus but they are covered with a minimal co-pay. They also offer pre-natal services through student health care and referrals to obstetricians off campus.
  2. Fordam offers extensive counseling services including those a pregnant student needs. Fordham also has an ON-CAMPUS pregnancy resource center and recently hosted a pregnancy resource forum to discuss ways to do an even better job at supporting students who become pregnant.
  3. I googled every “big name” Catholic university I could think of (Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova, BC and others). EVERY SINGLE ONE has an office or department to give support and assistance to pregnant students.
  4. Fordam does not have family housing at all. She was not eligible for housing, not because she was an unwed mother but because she needed housing for more than one person. However, one of the things the pregnancy resousce center lists is aid to pregnant students in finding affordable off-campus housing.
Could they do more? Sure. There are always ways to do better and more. But this “shame on the university” attitude is based on a concocted story and misinformation. I say shame on HP.
 
We do not know if there was a “lack of pastoral care” at all. The only thing we know is that according to the author, she could not use on-campus housing while pregnant.
Actually if you read the excerpt the author states there is no counselling facilities for pregnant students, that is what I was referring to.
 
Im sorry, as someone considering the Catholic faith I am SHOCKED at the lack of charity and love shown on this board, this particular thread…this young lady should have been embraced and helped…she made a mistake, yes, but she was keeping her baby, I cannot believe Fordham would be so unfeeling…this is not the Church I envision…and peoples responses are not what I would envision from followers and lovers of Jesus…at all…it makes me feel rather horrible, to be honest, the lack of charity shown
 
Actually if you read the excerpt the author states there is no counselling facilities for pregnant students, that is what I was referring to.
Corki, was very nice to point out in her post that there actually are counseling facilities for pregnant students at that campus.

I think the author did not do her research very well.
 
Corki, was very nice to point out in her post that there actually are counseling facilities for pregnant students at that campus.

I think the author did not do her research very well.
However, my post was before Corki’s. :rolleyes: So I did not know that the research behind the article may have been flawed.
 
Actually if you read the excerpt the author states there is no counselling facilities for pregnant students, that is what I was referring to.
A statement that, as it turns out, is untrue.
Im sorry, as someone considering the Catholic faith I am SHOCKED at the lack of charity and love shown on this board, this particular thread…this young lady should have been embraced and helped…she made a mistake, yes, but she was keeping her baby, I cannot believe Fordham would be so unfeeling…this is not the Church I envision…and peoples responses are not what I would envision from followers and lovers of Jesus…at all…it makes me feel rather horrible, to be honest, the lack of charity shown
Please note the the OPs link was to a story that is** false**. Virtually every piece of information in it is untrue. Fordham was not unfeeling; Fordam DOES offer a multitude of services to pregnant students, etc. If you want to feel horrible, direct your disgust at the lack of charity some people show when they do everything they can, including outright lying, to discredit the Church.
 
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