offending Jews

[BobP123]

I have not heared that, but if it is true then I think we need take Jewdaism into account. I think we have a ‘duty of care’ not to offend. I know you will say ‘well the early Church was not afraid to offend’ but actually they did not act in a hostile way towards the Jews. They merely preached Christ.

The last century saw a lot of anti-semitism. We must make sure we do not allow anything like it to ever happen again. We make a start by being ultra-sensitive to what we do, in small ways so as to protect them in large ways

This I don’t understand. If I find something offensive, I stay away from it. If it’s forced down my throat, then I’ll take issue.

In that context, I fail to understand how any Catholic worship can offend any one else, as long as it’s done on our own turf.

 

[didymus]

According to an article on Fr. Z’s blog the TLM was amended ages ago and all mention of “perfidious Jews” and other parts that would be objectionable to “schismatics and heretics.”

 

[Ignatius2000]

I pray for the Jews all the time, does that make me an anti-semite?
I pray for Muslims alot, does that make me a closed-minded bigot?
I pray for Protestants, does that make me anti-protestant?

Reminds me of the age old question: If I stand in a garage, am I a car?

 

[Morning_Star15]

1. Objectively, lack of acceptance of Jesus Christ is blindness. The more charitable the wording, the better, but still.
2. The Good Friday liturgy is not mass.
3. The new mass is also mass, so it’s not like the mass has been replaced with some new liturgy in the vernacular, which is not mass.
4. I’ve heard the prayer for the Jews on Good Friday way after Vaticanum II as well.

I was thinking the same thing about point #4 - I heard this prayer for the conversion of the Jews 2 Good Fridays ago, although I didn’t hear it again this year, and this was at a Parish that only celebrates NO Masses, no TLM.

Does anyone know if Vatican II definitively removed this prayer from the Good Friday Liturgy, or if it’s been in the rubrics all along?

 

[Sixtus]

I fail to understand how any Catholic worship can offend any one else, as long as it’s done on our own turf.

So I am free to insult others so long as I do it on my own turf and according to my own traditions and culture

A Catholic Sedar meal for example would be catholic worship ‘on our own turf’, but that would still be very insensitive inconsiderate and blashemous to Jews. Therefore, we do not [or should not] do Sedar, unless we remove all mention of Christianity, invite a Rabbi to officiate and follow strict Jewish observance, even if we do it on our own turf!

The roots of Catholicism are steeped in Jewish tradition and culture. We cannot and must not forget that. The Jews are our natural siblings. We should love, care and show them the same respect

 

[KathleenElsie]

The hymn that has the following words say the same thing.

I once was lost and now am found.
Was blind but now I see.

Is this offensive? I think it depends on who is singing it and where. We can take anything as offensive if we try hard enough.

 

[havemercy]

The rest of the world needs to tough it out and re-evaluate how they’re understanding these things. If the Pope is really going through with this, its for the best and I support him fully.