Office Question

[totustuus2345]

Today is the second Sunday of Advent, tomorrow is the Immaculate Conception:

Do we say Vespers II of Sunday, or Vespers I of the Immaculate Conception?

Help!

XC
Patrick

 

[Deacon_Ed]

EP I of the Immaculate Conception.

Deacon Ed

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Today is the second Sunday of Advent, tomorrow is the Immaculate Conception:

Do we say Vespers II of Sunday, or Vespers I of the Immaculate Conception?

Help!

XC
Patrick

Evening Prayer I Immaculate Conception.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Liturgy of the Hours Apostolate and St Francis de Sales sites say Immaculate Conception. Universalis and my diocesan Ordo say 2nd Sunday.

The Table of Liturgical Days in the 1975 4 volume [page 99] lists Sundays of Advent with other dates as one grade above Solemnities of the Blessed Virgin Mary etc. [Note that patrons of states are one step lower than that.] I think that gives the EP for the 2nd Sunday precedence over the Immaculate Conception.

As I recall a few years back the December 8 was a Sunday; so the Immaculate Conception was transferred to Monday.

 

[AJV]

I too, would have said Sunday Vespers II, for the reason given by the previous poster- though in the other thread someone noted that some ordo’s apparently have EP I of the IC .

FWIW, this is the rubric on occurrence and concurrence:

Celebrations On The Same Day:

If several celebrations fall on the same day, the one that holds the higher rank according to the above table is observed. A solemnity, however, which is impeded by a liturgical day that takes precedence over it should be transferred to the closest day which is not a day listed in nos. 1-8 in the table of precedence, the rule of no. 5 remaining in effect. Other celebrations are omitted that year.

If on the same day Vespers of the current Office and first Vespers of the following day are to be celebrated, the Vespers of the day holding the higher rank in the Table of Liturgical Days takes precedence; if both days are of the same rank, Vespers of the current day takes precedence.

This seems to only reinforce that the Vespers should be of Sunday whether one regards the Sunday of Advent as higher or equal in rank to the IC.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I’m not sure this is liturgically correct, but in situations like this when I’m not sure and sources differ, I say both (yes, with the ‘bells and whistles’ too like saying the Magnificat with antiphons twice for Evening Prayer, using different hymns, etc.) That way I know I’ve said the correct prayer no matter what!

 

[kurtmasur]

Today is the second Sunday of Advent, tomorrow is the Immaculate Conception:

Do we say Vespers II of Sunday, or Vespers I of the Immaculate Conception?

Help!

XC
Patrick

According to the chart that ranks all holy days in order of precedence, today’s Advent’s II Sunday definitely ranks above the Sollemnity of Our Lady.

Furthermore, the Vatican Radio website provides an mp3 file each day for Lauds, Vespers and Compline, and today’s Vespers recording is that of II Sunday of Advent, II Vespers.

By the way only the Office in Latin is available for download, for those interested in chanting the Office in Latin: radiovaticana.org/en1/on_demand.asp?gr=ltg