Official word from the Church regarding sedevacantistism

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I have been writing, and writing to the hierarchy. I really feel like the Church has failed me in a way. I was duped by the sedevacantist schism, and had there been official word from the Vatican, some sort of declaratory sentence of excommunication (which is exactly what is needed) my life would not be so difficult as it is right now. Don’t get me wrong. I love life. I live it to the fullest as I can every day. I go to Mass every morning at my local Cathedral. I say my daily prayers. I just really feel like a whole body of critique (the sedevacantist critique), is left to stand before the Church, silent, like they are not getting how loud sedevacantism is, how far it is spread, and how destructive it is. My life was brought to almost complete destruction because of it. It is everywhere. All over the internet, are sedevacantists. Yet, from Rome, nothing. It effected me and my family severely. I know children all over the world read those articles online and think that they can do whatever they want, go wherever they want for Mass, but it’s schism. And it’s not right. And something needs to be done about it.
 
If someone who works in the Vatican who reads these emails, please have mercy on us and work for declaratory sentences to be passed upon the Sedevacantists. If you know any clergy who work in Rome, please say something to them. If there was some sort of official word against them, it would be authoritative enough to convince people that these opinions are erroneous and schismatic.
 
Given that the Vatican is no longer tied in with State Law what can they do besides saying “shame shame”?

The church did not fail you, any more than it failed someone that went to a Protestant Church.

There are many voices competing for attention. Sedevacantism is not special. It’s just a glorified form of Protestantism.
 
They can pass declaratory sentences of excommunication and say that these thousands of webpages writing against the Popes and the Church are excommunicated.__That is what they could do, and that is more than shame shame and that is what is needed.
 
DeepDeepTrouble3 said:
They can pass declaratory sentences of excommunication and say that these thousands of webpages writing against the Popes and the Church are excommunicated.__That is what they could do, and that is more than shame shame and that is what is needed.
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Yeah…no.

They could not really do that any more than they would pass sentences against Protestant web pages.

Anyone with a keyboard can get a web page–they aren’t exactly hard to come by. And from my understanding, many wouldn’t care if the Vatican issued a sentence of excommunication because they don’t even believe that any Pope since the 50’s has even been valid.

Also, one has to remember prudent discernment and the idea that such a declaration would no doubt add fuel to the fire and encourage even worse behavior and recruiting tactics.

The best thing that the Church can do is try to draw them back to the fold so that they are not in sin, not further drive them away with blanket directives.

And really, would it really matter to someone said that they were excommunicated to someone who was deeply involved? Likely not, since the whole premise for their creation is that the Vatican is gone wonky and they are the ones that are saving Catholocism.
 
My friend, if you believed that the Church was fake and the Papacy vacant, why would you have paid any attention to what “Rome” said?
 
That sounds good. I wish there was something from Rome. These sedevacantists and traditionalist schismatics, they do not preach any Sola of Martin Luther. It’s not the same. They use authoritative assuredly Catholic argumentations in their writings. I wish that Rome would give us declaratory sentences of excommunication. A declaratory sentence is a sentence issues that states what has already occurred, which is excommunication at their ordination. It is very nuanced for traditionalist schismatics. There is the Pontifical Commusion Ecclesia Dei, which deals with the SSPX, who had their excommunication lifted by Papa Benedetto, but then there is the assuredly schismatic sedevacantist, who use these very authoritative quotes and writings. It seems like something is missing. I know for a fact, that if Rome had issued any sort of Authoritative warning of the sedevacnatists (and they need to say sedevacantists,) my life would be three times easier right now. I would probably be a Priest in the Institute of Christ the King.
 
Because it would have been from Rome. It seems like Rome cowers from Fr. Cekada and the Dimond brothers, to me.
 
If Rome gave an official word, against the sedevacantists, it would be Rome against vagrant clergy, which is what we need to hear. We are way, way, way way way past any sort of, let’s not give this any sort of attention. Lives have been destroyed because of sedevacantism. I can speak to how it destroyed my life. Fathers have left wives because the Ordinary Church, so to speak, Ordinary Form Church, is “not the true Church of Christ.” And they get to say it every day, without a reprimand of some kind from the eternal city? That’s not good. These are big boy arguments, and we need big boy answers.
 
I wouldn’t say that the Vatican cowers before crazy people, I would say that they do not dignify craziness with a reply. There is little need to officially excommunicate people who have already placed themselves outside the Church. In any case, it is primarily up to the local pastor and bishop to deal with such persons.

(Please note that, by the term craziness, I am referring to the likes of the Dimonds.)
 
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The sedevacantist arguments rank too high in google for there not to be some sort of medicinal correction of some kind. Technically, they are already schismatic from the time of their ordination, and should without a mandate for consecrating Bishops, be in schism and automatically excommuncate ipso facto, by the very fact of these illicit consecrations. But the Church can offer what are called declaratory sentences of exommuncation which is when the Church says, this has already happened, we want to let everyone what has already taken place ipso facto. We must have this from Rome regarding the sedevacantists. One little writing, in one spot, can shift a young man or little girl reading the internet for years in the wrong direction. Silence implies consent. That is not merely a fact of law, but that is a fact of life. When your reputation is being threatened over and over again, there becomes a duty to defend it, and the Church is past the time necessary for this defense. There needs to be something done about these sedevacantists 10 years ago for me. 12 years ago maybe for me.
 
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I wouldn’t say that the Vatican cowers before crazy people, I would say that they do not dignify craziness with a reply. There is little need to officially excommunicate people who have already placed themselves outside the Church. In any case, it is primarily up to the local pastor and bishop to deal with such persons.
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Way past that. Way way way past not dignifying people with reply. We are way past that.
 
I know, that hundreds of vocations, have been ruined, if not thousands, by the sedevacantists.
 
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Sedevacantism is so far removed from reality that I think it would be difficult to take them seriously. However whenever you have a bishop who is ordained without a papal mandate then both the ordaining bishop and the bishop receiving the ordination are automatically excommunicated. That is a point of canon law.

Can. 1382 A bishop who consecrates some one a bishop without a pontifical mandate and the person who receives the consecration from him incur a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P54.HTM
 
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The sedevacantist arguments rank too high in google…
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The Catholic Church does not act based on Google. Bishops will address groups that are locally a threat. The only “need” is for people to stop treating the internet like it is real life.
 
Hi,

Would someone please explain what “sedevacante” means? I can’t find a definition of it in any of my reference books.

Thanks,
Stuart
 
Sede Vacante means “vacant seat.” It is used when there is no bishop for a particular diocese. Sedevacantism is a term for those who believe that there has been no valid Pope, or Bishop of Rome, for some decades.

 
Given that there have been less than 600 ordinations per year in the US, I sort of doubt that hundreds or thousands have gone astray. Possibly a few hundred world wide; but there are over 16,000 active diocesan priests in the US alone. Let’s keep things in perspective.

There is an old rule: never argue with a fool; an observer may not be able to tell which is which. True sedevacantists are a small minority in the real world. And I would have to go searching specifically to find them on the internet.

One has to start with proper catechesis, and that normally starts in one’s parish. And proper catechesis should keep 99.999…%+ of people from falling into the Alice in Wonderland world of the sedevacantists.
 
I feel like I’m missing something here.
Some nutty sedevecantists made a website, which anybody can do, and they put stuff on it.
I’m quite free to ignore it, and I do. The only place I see the word “sedevacantist” is on this forum.

If I met one of these people in real life, I’d excuse myself immediately and leave, same as I do for annoying people of any faith.
Their misguided ideas do not affect my life in the slightest.

How do they affect yours?
 
How was your life almost brought to complete destruction, if you don’t mind us asking? I think others would benefit from hearing what happened so they don’t go down the same path.

Those groups are so tempting because they seem so devout, in contrast to modern “Catholics” who think and live like atheists.
 
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