Officially how old is the Diocese of Canterbury (Church of England) in the UK?

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Krisdun said:
The English never liked the idea of outsiders ruling or exercising authority over them
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Well, for the last thousand years or so, practically ever ruler has been Danish, French, Welsh, Scottish, Dutch or German. The present queen is the first ruler in a looong time that has more than a smidgen of English blood in her veins. Her father would have had to dig waaaaaaaay back in the family tree to find any English ancestor. Curiously, her son Charles is less English than she is.
 
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Jbrady said:
Well, for the last thousand years or so, practically ever ruler has been Danish, French, Welsh, Scottish, Dutch or German. The present queen is the first ruler in a looong time that has more than a smidgen of English blood in her veins. Her father would have had to dig waaaaaaaay back in the family tree to find any English ancestor. Curiously, her son Charles is less English than she is.
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You could certainly argue that way. On the other hand she can trace her ancestry to Alfred the Great, which is more than I can.
 
And the sort of conflict that best reflects outsiders in this context is outside of the realm, influencing or controlling the realm. A long history of struggles between the central authority/Crown and any external power structure, aimed at enhancing local authority, and reducing such outside power. Acts of Parliament and Royal decrees limiting and abolishing Papal and Church prerogatives were numerous (Council of Westminster, Council of Clarendon, First Statute of Winchester, Statute of Mortmain, the Writ Circumspecte agatis , the Statue of Carlisle, and the double Statutes of Provisors and Praemunire, and more, further in the misty past. The Henrician Acts were the crown, so to speak.
 
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The English never liked the idea of outsiders ruling or exercising authority over them (e.g. Brexit). In a way I am surprised the Catholic Church survived as long as it did as the dominant religion in England.
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That conflates a lot of different unconnected things.

The English are irrelevant to Brexit. We are British and have been since 1707 when England as a sovereign jurisdiction ceased to exit. We are all too often incorrectly referred to as England and the English. It should be the United Kingdom (UK) and the British. It is the UK and the British who exited the European Union.

Your remarks also infer something that is not at all true, which is that all other nations were happy to be ruled over by some foreign power. However, that is simply not true.

It is important to remember that the Protestant reformation was as much about politics as it was about religion. Indeed, it was probably more about politics. It is no mere coincidence that the Protestant Reformation occurred when countries where developing strong identities as nation states.
 
TomH1 said:
The English are irrelevant to Brexit.
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England voted to leave the EU. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU. It was the large proportion of leave voters in England that led to the Brexit vote.
 
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TomH1 said:
It is important to remember that the Protestant reformation was as much about politics as it was about religion. Indeed, it was probably more about politics.
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I would be very cautious of any religion founded on politics rather than beliefs.
 
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That is not true. England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales are not sovereign states. They were not members of the European Union nor are they members of any other international organisation. They are all part of the United Kingdom (UK), which is a sovereign state. It was the UK which triggered Article 50 after UK-wide referendum in which the majority of those who voted to leave the EU. The majority of the population of the UK voted to leave thus the UK government triggered Article 50. There is no point in saying that in Little-Piddleham-by-Sea the majority voted to say perhaps because the EU was subsiding our Pigeon Pies so we want to stay in even in the remainder of the UK leaves. It does not work in that way.
 
Can you name a religion that is based on politics? I cannot. I can name many a religion in which a lot of politics goes on.
 
you mentioned the Protestant reformation was more to do about politics than religion?
 
The religion of Protestants is Christianity. Are you suggesting that is based on politics? I’m not sure how you’d think that.
 
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I am afraid that you are not understanding. I did not look at your link because it is irrelevant. It does not matter how the voting was distributed across regions, counties, towns, civil parishes or whatever other division you care to look at.

The UK was a member of the EU. The UK population voted as a whole. The majority voted to leave. That is how democracy works.
 
Indeed, I did say that religion played a big part in the Protestant Reformation. That is not the same as saying that Protestant faiths are based on politics and not belief.

Is our Catholic Faith a political system? I think not. However, the refusal to grant Henry VIII an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon was a political decision.

Life is far more complicated than this oversimplistic view you are taking of it.
 
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Life is far more complicated than this oversimplistic view you are taking of it.
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Yes. Anthony Kenny described this way of viewing the past as ‘present contemporary prejudices in fancy dress’.
 
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