Officials Move to Take Christian Bakers’ Home After Couple Refuses to Pay $135,000 to Lesbians

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Civil disobedience in support of a point of principle, even in a democracy, can be a noble act. But to be noble it does have to involve accepting the legal consequences.
Which maybe they are prepared to do, just as that Kentucky clerk sat in jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. Perhaps it will take some high profile instances of Christians sitting in jail for ridiculous reasons before this nation will wake up to the fact that people have conscience rights.
 
Which maybe they are prepared to do, just as that Kentucky clerk sat in jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. Perhaps it will take some high profile instances of Christians sitting in jail for ridiculous reasons before this nation will wake up to the fact that people have conscience rights.
AMEN!
 
I am surprised that Oregon does not have better homestead laws, protecting homes from such action. I cannot see the details as the link did not work for me though. Still, here homes are exempted from any claim, except that of the mortgage on that home.
 
If you have a debt pay it. This is a simple biblical principle. Maybe knowing what the bible teaches even on matters that you disagree with it on is lost concept on some. Either that or I am misinterpreting the verse where Jesus says “if someone sues you for your cloak given them your tunic as well”(not direct quote). They have the money, but they are just refusing to pay it, and I am supposed to feel bad for them. If your problem is with them owing the lesbian couple damages I understand and empathize with this. Maybe we change the current legal precedence for this, but until then the government/lesbian couple has every right to pursue obtaining their money. My knowledge of the law is extremely limited but I would assume that if the decision is overturned that they would get their money back.

This is seriously almost as bad publicity for christians as when that women refusing to sign marriage licenses because she didn’t understand what power her office actually affords her. As some of my friends would say these kind of actions not only hurt these people’s witness but all christian’s witness.
 
If you have a debt pay it. This is a simple biblical principle. Maybe knowing what the bible teaches even on matters that you disagree with it on is lost concept on some. Either that or I am misinterpreting the verse where Jesus says “if someone sues you for your cloak given them your tunic as well”(not direct quote). They have the money, but they are just refusing to pay it, and I am supposed to feel bad for them. If your problem is with them owing the lesbian couple damages I understand and empathize with this. Maybe we change the current legal precedence for this, but until then the government/lesbian couple has every right to pursue obtaining their money. My knowledge of the law is extremely limited but I would assume that if the decision is overturned that they would get their money back.

This is seriously almost as bad publicity for christians as when that women refusing to sign marriage licenses because she didn’t understand what power her office actually affords her. As some of my friends would say these kind of actions not only hurt these people’s witness but all christian’s witness.
They don’t even have to pay it they can put the money they have been given in an escrow account until the appeals process is over.
 
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By July, the couple had raised donations for their legal fees of approx. $360,000 on sites like Go Fund Me and others–about three times what they owe.
It’s probably much more by now.

Still, they have refused to pay what the court has ordered them to pay.
If I recollect all the money that was raised by GO FUND ME was given back to the contributors, i.e., the GO FUND ME organization did not want money being raised for the KIeins, and so stopped any attempts by people wanting to contribute to their cause.
After GoFundMe shuts down Christian bakery crowdfunding, it bans ‘discriminatory’ campaigns
As crowdfunding platforms increasingly become key culture war weapons, at least one company has attempted to clarify who can – and cannot – appeal for donations on their site. GoFundMe added “discriminatory” campaigns to the list of causes that can’t find a home there, a week after the company’s decision last week to remove a fundraising page for a bakery facing a hefty fine for violating a state discrimination law.
GoFundMe’s terms of service now exclude “campaigns in defense of formal charges or claims of heinous crimes, violent, hateful, sexual or discriminatory acts,” the company announced in a Wednesday blog post. The site also added language clarifying that GoFundMe “reserves the right to share the content from a deleted campaign with law enforcement, donors or stated beneficiaries who wish to file a police report about any misuse of fundraising.”
Maybe, they’re refusing to pay on principal, or maybe the money they did receive was spent on lawyers, and since they’ve already had to shut down their bakery, I personally don’t believe they should have to pay anything. T

This is a punishment that does not fit the “crime”.
 
Maybe, they’re refusing to pay on principal, or maybe the money they did receive was spent on lawyers, and since they’ve already had to shut down their bakery, I personally don’t believe they should have to pay anything. .
If this is the case, they may not have to pay it, that is, if they do not have the funds to pay it. Even lesbians can’t get blood from a turnip.
 
They don’t even have to pay it they can put the money they have been given in an escrow account until the appeals process is over.
Have they done so?If I understand you I think you are saying that until the appeal process is over legally they have to at least put the money in an escrow account.

I am not sure how biblical this course of action is though. The case in the bible doesn’t read “if someone sues you for your shirt wait until your appeal process is over to give them both your shirt and your coat” It reads “If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also”(Mt5:40 NASB).

Thanks for informing me about how the law in Merica works.
 
Have they done so?If I understand you I think you are saying that until the appeal process is over **legally they have to at least put the money in an escrow account. **

I am not sure how biblical this course of action is though. The case in the bible doesn’t read “if someone sues you for your shirt wait until your appeal process is over to give them both your shirt and your coat” It reads “If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also”(Mt5:40 NASB).

Thanks for informing me about how the law in Merica works.
If they put the money in escrow taking their house would not be an issue.🤷
 
If they put the money in escrow taking their house would not be an issue.🤷
I had to reread your post multiple times because I do not think you understand what you are saying or you mistyped. I think you want to say that if they put the money in escrow then taking the bakers house would be an issue, but you said would not be an issue. I really don’t like talking in hypotheticals when I am actually talking about a real situation. Did they or didn’t they put money in escrow? If we don’t know there is nothing more to discus here.
 
I had to reread your post multiple times because I do not think you understand what you are saying or you mistyped. I think you want to say that if they put the money in escrow then taking the bakers house would be an issue, but you said would not be an issue. I really don’t like talking in hypotheticals when I am actually talking about a real situation. Did they or didn’t they put money in escrow? If we don’t know there is nothing more to discus here.
If they take the money they have been given by people to pay the judgement and put it in escrow until the appeals process is over, their house wouldn’t be in jeopardy.
Reuters:
The Kleins appealed the ruling and have refused to pay, citing financial hardships, Bureau spokesman Charlie Burr said, adding that the agency is exploring options for collecting the money.

The agency has given the Kleins the option of obtaining a bond or a line of credit, and has also agreed to hold funds in escrow until the appeals are settled, Burr said.
reuters.com/article/2015/09/30/us-usa-oregon-gaymarriage-idUSKCN0RU2RO20150930
 
Ummmm, full civil equality under the rule off law? Have the law applied equally??🤷
If the law were applied equality then why are we seeing Christians being persecuted for believing that marriage is between a man and a woman as based on their religion (and protected under the 1st amendment of the constitution)??
 
If the law were applied equality then why are we seeing Christians being persecuted for believing that marriage is between a man and a woman as based on their religion (and protected under the 1st amendment of the constitution)??
I cannot believe that you have the gall to say that Christians are being persecuted for their Christianity in America. Get some perspective, because your naivety is laughable.
 
I cannot believe that you have the gall to say that Christians are being persecuted for their Christianity in America. Get some perspective, because your naivety is laughable.
yes Christians are being persecuted in America.
 
Even if they do pay the fine and are allowed to keep their home and business what’s to stop another gay couple from coming to them, getting refused and suing them.

Where does it end? Unless they go out of business. Is this really a desirable scenario where Christians aren’t even allowed to own businesses because of the discrimination lawsuits?
 
I can understand why they took the funds…because the radical elements of the State were out to liquidate them…with their family of 5 dependent children.

And there is the ongoing reality that this particular baker did use artistic license. Her skills well known so she couldn’t turn around and ask them what color they like and put up to small brides on the cake and pass it back to them.

The whole thing was a set up to intimidate anyone whose conscience is violated and does not want to be personally involved with something they do not believe in.

There is an attorney for the ACLU in Oregon who also admits their rights were violated and is very ashamed of the radical elements doing this…the Atty General was also found to be in collusion with NARAL…so the parties involved are not associated at all with the Culture of Life and you have a very indifferent public that looks the other way.
 
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