Ok, do you consider protestant marriages as being invaild?

[Big_Dummy]

???

 

[1ke]

It matters what the **Church **says.

What the Church teaches is that non-Catholics* marry validly when marrying other non-Catholics if they have no divine law impediments (such as a prior marriage).

If one or both are unbaptized the marriage is a valid natural marriage. If both are baptized, it is a valid, sacramental marriage.

Anyone who “considers” non-Catholic marriages to be invalid is at odds with the Church.

• Exception: Orthodox must follow the laws of their church established by their Bishops, who have authority over them. The Catholic Church views Orthodox marriage form to be binding on those baptized into the Orthodox Churches because they are true particular Churches.

 

[athenasius]

Protestant marriages are perfectly valid as long as they are between protestants. But when Catholics get married using a protestant cerimony their marriage is not recognized by the church.

 

[Seatuck]

Protestant marriages are perfectly valid as long as they are between protestants. But when Catholics get married using a protestant cerimony their marriage is not recognized by the church.

They can be valid if the Catholic gets a dispensation to marry in a protestant ceremony and if they do the Catholic preparation.

 

[James_Trevor]

It matters what the **Church **says.

What the Church teaches is that non-Catholics* marry validly when marrying other non-Catholics if they have no divine law impediments (such as a prior marriage).

If one or both are unbaptized the marriage is a valid natural marriage. ** If both are baptized, it is a valid, sacramental marriage**.

Anyone who “considers” non-Catholic marriages to be invalid is at odds with the Church.

• Exception: Orthodox must follow the laws of their church established by their Bishops, who have authority over them. The Catholic Church views Orthodox marriage form to be binding on those baptized into the Orthodox Churches because they are true particular Churches.

Can Protestant minister’s with no apostolic succession confer the Sacrament of Matrimony?

 

[TeenageConvert]

It matters what the **Church **says.

What the Church teaches is that non-Catholics* marry validly when marrying other non-Catholics if they have no divine law impediments (such as a prior marriage).

If one or both are unbaptized the marriage is a valid natural marriage. If both are baptized, it is a valid, sacramental marriage.

Anyone who “considers” non-Catholic marriages to be invalid is at odds with the Church.

• Exception: Orthodox must follow the laws of their church established by their Bishops, who have authority over them. The Catholic Church views Orthodox marriage form to be binding on those baptized into the Orthodox Churches because they are true particular Churches.

 

[James_Trevor]

Can Protestant minister’s with no apostolic succession confer the Sacrament of Matrimony?

Answering my own question-

The priest/minister does not confer anything.

The priest cannot administer the sacrament of Matrimony; only the contracting couple can do that. The priest (or deacon) is simply the official witness, representing Christ and Christ’s Church. The priest’s presence is normally essential; without him there is no sacrament and no marriage. But he does not confer the sacrament.

beginningcatholic.com/catholic-marriage.html

1ke is completely right.

 

[RyanBlack]

Can Protestant minister’s with no apostolic succession confer the Sacrament of Matrimony?

In Roman Catholic understanding, the couple are the ministers of the sacrament of marriage-not the priest. For Eastern Catholics, the minister of the sacrament of marriage is the priest. For that reason, I cannot imagine an Eastern Catholic bishop permitting the marriage of an Eastern Catholic in a Protestant church.

 

[Seatuck]

Can Protestant minister’s with no apostolic succession confer the Sacrament of Matrimony?

Matrimony is special it is where the couple confers the sacrament.
The official witness must be the church or a designee of the church.

 

[lizaanne]

It matters what the **Church **says.

What the Church teaches is that non-Catholics* marry validly when marrying other non-Catholics if they have no divine law impediments (such as a prior marriage).

If one or both are unbaptized the marriage is a valid natural marriage. If both are baptized, it is a valid, sacramental marriage.

Anyone who “considers” non-Catholic marriages to be invalid is at odds with the Church.

• Exception: Orthodox must follow the laws of their church established by their Bishops, who have authority over them. The Catholic Church views Orthodox marriage form to be binding on those baptized into the Orthodox Churches because they are true particular Churches.

You thread killer you!

This is the only answer, there is no other. It’s not something that is open to discussion or interpretation, or opinion.

~Liza

 

[Tantum_ergo]

So, Biggie, I think the question you asked has been answered, correct? This is what it seems to break down to:

Marriage of Protestant to Protestant: Valid.

Marriage of Protestant to nonCatholic (anything from Pagan to Jew to Muslim to 'spiritual but not religious): Valid.

Marriage of Protesant to Catholic with Catholic receiving dispensation from the bishop to be married in a non-Catholic Church: Valid.

Marriage of Protestant to Catholic with Catholic NOT receiving dispensation to be married in a non-Catholic Church: NOT valid.

 

[AuroraB]

Ok this all makes sense, however if two non Catholic baptized people get married in a civil marriage ceremony ie before a Justice of the Peace, instead of in their Church. I guess the Catholic Church would recognize that marriage, but would it be a sacramental marriage?

 

[runningdude]

In Roman Catholic understanding, the couple are the ministers of the sacrament of marriage-not the priest. For Eastern Catholics, the minister of the sacrament of marriage is the priest. For that reason, I cannot imagine an Eastern Catholic bishop permitting the marriage of an Eastern Catholic in a Protestant church.

In Eastern Catholicism, I believe the canonical form requires a special blessing that only a priest can confer. One could, though, still be dispensed from canonical form, but I’d image it might be less likely in an Eastern Catholic Church.

This might apply to the Eastern Orthodox as well, but I can’t state for sure about that (Orthodox have their own, separate, canon law).

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Ok this all makes sense, however if two non Catholic baptized people get married in a civil marriage ceremony ie before a Justice of the Peace, instead of in their Church. I guess the Catholic Church would recognize that marriage, but would it be a sacramental marriage?

Not every nonCatholic Church believes marriage is a sacrament. . .so it would depend on the definition of that Church whether a civil ceremony met the requirements if indeed that Church did hold marriage as a sacrament. Valid, yes. Sacramental? Depends on their Church.

 

[1ke]

Ok this all makes sense, however if two non Catholic baptized people get married in a civil marriage ceremony ie before a Justice of the Peace, instead of in their Church. I guess the Catholic Church would recognize that marriage, but would it be a sacramental marriage?

Yes.

Can. 1055 §1. The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.

§2. For this reason, a valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament.

 

[1ke]

Not every nonCatholic Church believes marriage is a sacrament. . .so it would depend on the definition of that Church whether a civil ceremony met the requirements if indeed that Church did hold marriage as a sacrament. Valid, yes. Sacramental? Depends on their Church.

The sacramentality of a marriage between two baptized people is not dependent upon where they marry or what their understanding of (or their ecclesial community’s teaching on) sacramental theology is.

The marriage is a sacrament if (a) the two parties are baptized and (b) they contract a valid marriage. See the below canons:

Can. 1055 §1. The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.

§2. For this reason, a valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament.

 

[puzzleannie]

???

who is “you?”
what I consider is irrelevant
if you are asking what the Catholic Church considers, yes, marriage between two non-Catholics who are otherwise free to marry are presumed valid unless and until proven otherwise. If both those persons are baptized, their marriage is also a sacrament.

Can Protestant minister’s with no apostolic succession confer the Sacrament of Matrimony?

irrelevant. The ordinary ministers of the sacrament of matrimony are the spouses themselves, who confer it upon each other through their consent.

and why every single time this question is asked (which is frequently btw) does some body jump in with a comment about valid marriages for Catholics, which OP did NOT ask about?

Ok this all makes sense, however if two non Catholic baptized people get married in a civil marriage ceremony ie before a Justice of the Peace, instead of in their Church. I guess the Catholic Church would recognize that marriage, but would it be a sacramental marriage?

as has already been answered, yes,

since OP has not answered the question “who” considers these marriages, we assume since this is a Catholic forum with discussion mainly focused on the Latin Rite, that he is asking not about Eastern Orthodox or Easter Catholic teaching, but Roman Catholic Canon Law. That is just a guess, since he has not said who he is asking.

what the particular denomination teaches about marriage or what the parties believe is also irrelevant to the validity of the marriage. The Catholic Church has been given custody and authority over Christ’s sacraments so she determines what is and is not a valid marriage, and what is or is not a sacramental marriage.

 

[puzzleannie]

Can Protestant minister’s with no apostolic succession confer the Sacrament of Matrimony?

irrelevant. The ordinary ministers of the sacrament of matrimony are the spouses themselves, who confer it upon each other through their consent.

 

[runningdude]

Ok this all makes sense, however if two non Catholic baptized people get married in a civil marriage ceremony ie before a Justice of the Peace, instead of in their Church. I guess the Catholic Church would recognize that marriage, but would it be a sacramental marriage?

Yes. Baptized protestants are not canonically attached to a valid, apostolic church. A Protestant church has no authority to “bind” its members.
**
Basically, each individual Protestant is on his or her own before God.**

Because marriage is a sacrament committed between to individuals, Protestants are free to use whatever form they like to celebrate the marriage, as their church has no authority to dictate a form.

Only an apostolic Church has the sacraments to aid its members with graces to achieve salvation. Because such a church has sacraments, it has the authority to dictate how and when they will be celebrated among their members. This is known a canon law, and a member of these churches is obligated to obey these canons. An apostolic Christian, such as Catholic or an Orthodox, does not stand alone, but has his or her Church as an advocate!

Of the apostolic churches, only the Catholic Church has the fullness of Christian authority, manifested in the office of the Papacy. The Orthodox do not recognize the Papacy, and so do not allow there members to convert to Catholicism.

However, the Pope as the so called “Supreme Pontiff”, has the authority to dispense any person from any canonical obligation. He delegates some of this authority to the bishops, and the bishops to the priests.

Therefore, the Catholic Church, as the true and fullest church, can single-handedly dispense the obligation of an Orthodox Christian who chooses to convert to Catholicism, binding him to the Catholic Church instead of his previous Orthodox Church.

Thus, as another poster mentioned, Catholic and Orthodox Christians are generally bound by a certain canonical form. Protestants have no membership in an apostolic Church, and are thus free to marry using any ceremony they see fit. The Pope, through lawful delegates (usually bishops), however, can dispense canonical form, so a Catholic and a Protestant could marry before a Protestant minister, but the Protestant needs none to be married in a Catholic ceremony

 

[AuroraB]

Yes.

Can. 1055 §1. The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.

§2. For this reason, a valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament.

Thanks 1ke That’s what I wanted to know. I love it how the Church is so clear on these things.