OK for married couple to use vibrators?

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LittleWay92 said:
Just about spit out my coffee at that one. Too funny.

In all seriousness, though, the marital act is intended to be pleasurable as long as we are being open to life. If vibrators help make the experience pleasurable, and the end result is still procreative, then I don’t see why they would be morally impermissible.
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I think so too. But it would feel kinda wrong if the woman were the one holding it and placing it on herself during intercourse. I feel that it’s kinda wrong just like if the woman were to stimulate herself during intercourse, in my opinion. I believe these things should be done by the spouse on the other spouse. Like the husband placing the vibrator on her, etc. Or better yet, a We-Vibe couple vibrator that no one holds, stays in place and both feel it.

Anyway, overall, I feel this is a grey area topic, and a bit uncomfortable or unnatural. But if I think that way, wouldn’t viagara pills and the like be similar?
 
E_7 said:
I think so too. But it would feel kinda wrong if the woman were the one holding it and placing it on herself during intercourse. I feel that it’s kinda wrong just like if the woman were to stimulate herself during intercourse, in my opinion. I believe these things should be done by the spouse on the other spouse. Like the husband placing the vibrator on her, etc. Or better yet, a We-Vibe couple vibrator that no one holds, stays in place and both feel it.

Anyway, overall, I feel this is a grey area topic, and a bit uncomfortable or unnatural. But if I think that way, wouldn’t viagara pills and the like be similar?
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No, drugs like Viagra are different because they restore proper sexual function. (I’m assuming here that a man has seen a doctor for sexual dysfunction, received a prescription, and is using the drug as prescribed.) It’s not morally wrong to take medicine for a legitimate therapeutic purpose.
 
RPRPsych said:
Says the man who accuses all but two Popes of being evil.

Log, splinter, anyone? 😃
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I don’t think all other popes are evil, work on reading comprehension. Francis and saint John Paul are my favorite, their have been evil popes.
 
RPRPsych said:
Says the man who accuses all but two Popes of being evil.

Log, splinter, anyone? 😃
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Other does not mean all. Did you learn reading comprehension in school my friend, you must not have passed?
 
My father still squirms when he sees a Viagra commercial. Nothing wrong with correcting a medical condition, especially if it promotes marital relations.
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
Other does not mean all. Did you learn reading comprehension in school my friend, you must not have passed?
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Leaving aside the “ad hominem” which I shall ignore, “evil Popes” is a loaded phrase more often used by anti-Catholics than by those within the Church. I may disagree with you, but I would not call you evil. 🙂
 
RPRPsych said:
Leaving aside the “ad hominem” which I shall ignore, “evil Popes” is a loaded phrase more often used by anti-Catholics than by those within the Church. I may disagree with you, but I would not call you evil. 🙂
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i have great respect for the last 5 popes, but their have been evil ones. All my signature is saying that we should not blindly a follow a pope simply because he is one. Thats why i questioned your reading comprehension.
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
i have great respect for the last 5 popes, but their have been evil ones. All my signature is saying that we should not blindly a follow a pope simply because he is one. Thats why i questioned your reading comprehension.
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What’s your beef with St. John XXIII?!
 
nodito said:
I know that’s how he explains it. I realize you find it convincing. I guess what I’m getting at is, if Conte’s interpretation of the marital act and what is licit during sex differs from Grisez or May or West (and when those authors have imprimaturs on their works while Conte does not), why believe Conte?
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Books with imprimaturs are good books to read because of the amount of truth but not even books with imprimaturs are 100% free from error. After listening to Servant of God Fr.John Hardons audio talks, he talks more than several times about errors in books that as he says have “bright shiny imprimaturs.” 😃

I am almost positive that Fr.Hardon also talked about the evil of oral and anal sex in one of his audio talks.

With that said, I am not 100% sure every single thing Ronald Conte says is free from error either. But many a saints went unnoticed and were looked at as fools, even St.Thomas Aquinas, so just because his works arent promoted in parishes at this point doesnt mean what most of what he says isnt true.

One thing I could say for sure, just out of common sense and reason, is that Christopher West’s idea that anything goes in the marriage bed as long as the husband completes the marital act inside his wife doesnt make any sense as far as moral acts are concerned.
 
What is most important for married couples is that they keep their marriage happy, so that they can remain married. Today with there being so much divorce, it is not an easy thing to accomplish. If using a vibrator helps a married couple enjoy the marital sexual act more and keeps them happy, that is all that I think is important.
 
Katherine438 said:
What is most important for married couples is that they keep their marriage happy, so that they can remain married. Today with there being so much divorce, it is not an easy thing to accomplish. If using a vibrator helps a married couple enjoy the marital sexual act more and keeps them happy, that is all that I think is important.
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Although I agree that it’s important to preserve marriage and keep one’s spouse happy, this particular argument is not a good basis for determining morality. If it’s just “do whatever keeps us happy” then any number of (immoral) things might be considered good.
 
Katherine438 said:
What is most important for married couples is that they keep their marriage happy, so that they can remain married. Today with there being so much divorce, it is not an easy thing to accomplish. If using a vibrator helps a married couple enjoy the marital sexual act more and keeps them happy, that is all that I think is important.
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nodito said:
Although I agree that it’s important to preserve marriage and keep one’s spouse happy, this particular argument is not a good basis for determining morality. If it’s just “do whatever keeps us happy” then any number of (immoral) things might be considered good.
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I don’t want to address the specific OP but yes, this argument could be used to justify porn use or even a threesome, swinging, etc., as long as such acts “helps a married couple enjoy the marital sexual act more and keeps them happy”.
 
Katherine438 said:
What is most important for married couples is that they keep their marriage happy, so that they can remain married. Today with there being so much divorce, it is not an easy thing to accomplish. If using a vibrator helps a married couple enjoy the marital sexual act more and keeps them happy, that is all that I think is important.
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Ah, while,yes, that does apply to a vibrator, that logic is not the reason why using one is licit.
 
ToeInTheWater said:
I don’t want to address the specific OP but yes, this argument could be used to justify porn use or even a threesome, swinging, etc., as long as such acts “helps a married couple enjoy the marital sexual act more and keeps them happy”.
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I was only talking about the use of a vibrator … not condoning anything else.
 
nodito said:
Although I agree that it’s important to preserve marriage and keep one’s spouse happy, this particular argument is not a good basis for determining morality. If it’s just “do whatever keeps us happy” then any number of (immoral) things might be considered good.
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I never said do whatever makes us happy … but the use of a vibrator during sex could be because the woman has a problem being fulfilled … hence it is an instrument to make sure that the couple are taking care of an important part of their life adequately, so as to make it less likely that a partner may look elsewhere for fulfillment. I’m trying to answer this for the real world … trying to make sure that a couple are both fulfilled and have no excuse to look elsewhere. Just trying to deal with the fact that even among Catholics the divorce rate is sky high.
 
Some people need to chill on this thread :cool:

As a priest told me, pray with your spouse before being romantic with them, and let the Holy Spirit guide you to what is best.

And for those freaking out at the idea of anything too risqué in the bedroom, read Song of Solomon. That’s pretty hot and heavy!
 
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