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So I was in a discussion with a heathen (member of the folkish Asatru religion), and he posed a question to which I couldn’t give much of a reply. I was hoping someone here might have an insight to this:

He asked if an all-powerful, wise, etc God could make a rock (or anything else) that He could not move? According to his logic, if you say yes He can make a rock He can’t move, then he isn’t all-powerful because He can’t do something…but if you say no He can’t make a rock He can’t move then He is still not all-powerful as there is something He cannot do.

Any thoughts?
 
These are really non-sensical questions, like asking of God can both create X and not create X at the same time, or if He can make a rock that is both all white and all black, or whether He can create water that is not made up of water.

God is omnipotent in that He can do anything He chooses to do.
 
So I was in a discussion with a heathen (member of the folkish Asatru religion), and he posed a question to which I couldn’t give much of a reply. I was hoping someone here might have an insight to this:

He asked if an all-powerful, wise, etc God could make a rock (or anything else) that He could not move? According to his logic, if you say yes He can make a rock He can’t move, then he isn’t all-powerful because He can’t do something…but if you say no He can’t make a rock He can’t move then He is still not all-powerful as there is something He cannot do.

Any thoughts?
The answer is that God can do things except condradict himself. Creating a rock too heavy to lift is a contradiction for an all-powerful being. That is actually how you answer that foolish question.
 
So I was in a discussion with a heathen (member of the folkish Asatru religion), and he posed a question to which I couldn’t give much of a reply. I was hoping someone here might have an insight to this:

He asked if an all-powerful, wise, etc God could make a rock (or anything else) that He could not move? According to his logic, if you say yes He can make a rock He can’t move, then he isn’t all-powerful because He can’t do something…but if you say no He can’t make a rock He can’t move then He is still not all-powerful as there is something He cannot do.

Any thoughts?
That is a negative question, so it doesn’t make sense.

However, it could be answered this way:

The rock is pride, and He didn’t make it but He lifted it.

(Fall & Redemption)
 
So I was in a discussion with a heathen (member of the folkish Asatru religion), and he posed a question to which I couldn’t give much of a reply. I was hoping someone here might have an insight to this:

He asked if an all-powerful, wise, etc God could make a rock (or anything else) that He could not move? According to his logic, if you say yes He can make a rock He can’t move, then he isn’t all-powerful because He can’t do something…but if you say no He can’t make a rock He can’t move then He is still not all-powerful as there is something He cannot do.

Any thoughts?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

Try that out.
 
You might also want to try this anwer:

“Can God create a rock so heavy He can’t lift it?”

“Yes, but He can also lift it.”

“What?! That’s not possible!”

“With God all things are possible.”

It’s a way to challenge their most basic assumptions, and have a little fun doing it.
 
So I was in a discussion with a heathen (member of the folkish Asatru religion), and he posed a question to which I couldn’t give much of a reply. I was hoping someone here might have an insight to this:

He asked if an all-powerful, wise, etc God could make a rock (or anything else) that He could not move? According to his logic, if you say yes He can make a rock He can’t move, then he isn’t all-powerful because He can’t do something…but if you say no He can’t make a rock He can’t move then He is still not all-powerful as there is something He cannot do.

Any thoughts?
1st of all there a lot of world religions that have various views of God or gods, and even goddess. Lets 1st examine God with the most basic idealogy, God is the ultimate mover.

That being said God being the ultimate mover and or creator, means He even created the laws that makes is possible or impossible to move that rock even if He did create it in the 1st place. I would say the ultimate creator of all laws is ultimately in charge of those laws so if a man cannot move the rock because it is outside his possibilites is not outside of the possiblities of God.

His question is ultiamatly irrelevent and its sets up a trap for you either way, those who opposed Jesus in the bible also set up traps for him too, but he was to smart and out witted them too with an answer.

Bottom Line if God creates a rock so big that man cant physically move it this does not equal God to the same catagory, and God ultimatley sets up the laws to move or not to move therefore yes he is always above therefore always all powerful.
 
When I got confrionted by this question, I responded, “GOD tells the rock to move itself.” 👍
 
Isn’t this just a variation of “the unmovable object meets the irresistible force”?
 
If I have to choose, I always go with “cannot make a rock too big to lift”. The “can” option puts a finite limit on the lifting ability (i.e, the weight of the rock just created), while the “cannot” option allows both creative and lifting ability to increase to infinity.

But all the other answers are probably better.
 
So I was in a discussion with a heathen (member of the folkish Asatru religion), and he posed a question to which I couldn’t give much of a reply. I was hoping someone here might have an insight to this:

He asked if an all-powerful, wise, etc God could make a rock (or anything else) that He could not move? According to his logic, if you say yes He can make a rock He can’t move, then he isn’t all-powerful because He can’t do something…but if you say no He can’t make a rock He can’t move then He is still not all-powerful as there is something He cannot do.

Any thoughts?

A phrase does not acquire meaning by having the words “God can” put in front of it.​

The question rests on an equivocation - equivocation being the fallacy of using a word with several possible meanings as though it meant the same thing in all different contexts. Your friend is treating “cannot” as though “X cannot Y” always means the same thing; & it doesn’t. There is more than one sort of inability, and more than one way of being: the being of a stone is not the being of a slicce of bread or an archangel. Or of God, Who is Unique in Being. And ability, is a function of being

We cannot fly - most birds can. OTOH, birds cannot exhibit art at a gallery, or cook: birds do not need to have these abilities. Our inability to do things birds alone can do, is not a deprivation for us, because there is nothing in our make-up as human beings to make our inability to do what certain other animals can do into a cause for complaint: when did you last hear anyone complain that they “could not” weight 175 tons 🙂 ? Weighing 175 tons is OK for a blue whale - but not for a human being. Just as having three stomachs goes with being a cow, & is fine for a cow - but would be anything but fine for a human being. Some things don’t enhance being human, or cowy, or blue whaley - instead, they would spoil it. What human being wants to “be able to” weigh the same as a blue whale ? Inability to do a thing, is sometimes something for which to be grateful.

God cannot sin. Humans can - in fact, we are superb at it. But sinning does not enhance being human - any more than doing one’s head in by taking lots and lots of cocaine enhances being human. Sin and drugs corrupt, they do not enhance. Evil is like the shadow of the dog’s bone in the fable - it is not a something, but an absence of being when being should be present; and sin is a form of moral evil.

God’s incapability of sin is not a limitation of His Being, it is not something God wishes He could do, but unlike us lucky fellows who can sin, is handicapped from doing. On the contrary - God’s incapability of sin is a consequence, is a mode of His infinite Holiness. And to be holy is a very good thing - it is not a weakness, handicap, corruption, or lessening of being. It is because God is Eternal, Infinite in Being and infinite in Holiness, that sin is alien to Him, is something God cannot do. ##
 
I thought the OP post was quite good actually…i have never thought about that before.
 
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