Ok im getitng this straight. I am a baptist . I have been Baptised

[seetiger33]

I do not believe nor have ever been taught in my Baptist faith that its being baptised that saves you. It is a symbol of what you have become. Jesus blood washes away sins. You rise as a new creature in Christ. Jesus Christ saved me not that stinking cold water. Not the man that dunked me. So if some baptist are teaching that being baptised saves you they are dead wrong and need to check there salvation.

 

[Philena]

Do you or did you attend public schools?

 

[seetiger33]

I attended Chrisitian school 1-6 grade. After that it was public? Why you ask?

 

[Philena]

Anyway, it’s not Catholics who say that Baptism is not only required, it is a condition of salvation. Jesus and His apostles said it.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say un
to thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[seetiger33]

Wow now condeming my spelling. I never said i could spell so why do you condem me for that hmmm? Did that make you feel good?

 

[jesusluv]

seetiger33:

I do not believe nor have ever been taught in my Baptist faith that its being baptised that saves you. It is a symbol of what you have become. Jesus blood washes away sins. You rise as a new creature in Christ. Jesus Christ saved me not that stinking cold water. Not the man that dunked me. So if some baptist are teaching that being baptised saves you they are dead wrong and need to check there salvation.

I’m not attacking you in any way as I was raised Baptist and was one until recently, so 20+ years of the ol’ baptist blood in me.

Since you are Baptist, I know you believe that the bible alone is the only thing you should follow. So, I just have one question. Can you show me any scripture that says water baptism is a symbol?

I would love to help you with this, but there just isn’t any scripture to back it up.

 

[Cairisti]

Well, one of the verses that caught me (as a former Baptist) was from 1Peter Chapter 3, verse 21. Baptism Does save you. It is not symbolic. (So sayeth St. Peter. )

 

[jesusluv]

After some research, I may be able to add a little to what some of you have said.

Ezek 36:25-27, it says, “I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses…a new heart I will give you and a new spirit I will put within you…and I will put My spirit within you…” Here, in the Old Testament, we have a foreshadowing of New Testament baptism. Now, let’s see if the New Testament corresponds to what we just read in Ezekiel. Acts 2:38, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Note that there is no symbolic language here…this is real! The Book of Acts says, “Be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins.” Ezekiel says, “I will sprinkle clean water upon you and you shall be clean from your uncleanness.” The Book of Acts says, “…and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Ezekiel says: “…and I will put My Spirit within you.” Do you begin to see how God, in the Old Covenant, was preparing us for what He gives us in the New Covenant?

Acts 22:16 - “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins…”. 1 Cor 12:13 - “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body…” What body was that? The Body of Christ. 1 Ptr 3:21: “Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you…”

Scripture simply does not support the non-Catholic notion that Baptism is symbolic. Scripture does very directly and very clearly support the Catholic teaching that Baptism saves us; that Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ; that Baptism washes away sin; and that through Baptism we receive the Holy Spirit…just as the Catholic Church teaches!

 

[seetiger33]

I see a argument coming because my heart isnt right for this conversation. And i admit it. I have a close friend that was a catholic. He belongs to a community church now. I talk alot to him about the catholic faith. He inlightens me about your faith. Reason I brought this up is because you have catholic people on here that are critisizing the baptist for saying you have to be a part of baptism to be saved. Meaning they dont agree with it and you do so thats a little backwards dont you think? I have been in a baptism. However Jesus Christ is the center of my life. When I think of my salvation I do not think of the baptism i went through I think of what Christ did for me. I refuse to get into a Bible verse war because to many times its well this verse says this, well this verse says this. Way i see it . If you havnt come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior you are going to Hell. I have recently started walking what im talking. I am currently in Milk mode. Im in baby steps. Im wanting meat and Ill get it in Gods time. God bless you Sister.

 

[jesusluv]

seetiger33:

Way i see it . If you havnt come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior you are going to Hell. I have recently started walking what im talking. I am currently in Milk mode. Im in baby steps. Im wanting meat and Ill get it in Gods time.

Amen.

I don’t think any of us intentially jump on people that disagree with us. We are a bit overzealous at time(of course, I may just be speaking for myself). I in no way intend to discourage you from faith in Christ. I will pray that you continue to grow in His love.

 

[seetiger33]

I guess another thing that is very very confusing is. One you are saying being baptised saves you Ok . Then you say you have to take communion . Euchurist to be saved. Eat his flesh drink his blood. So is it both or only one. I could have swore Jesus Christ died on cross for us and asked all sinners to ask him to come in our hearts?

 

[seetiger33]

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me.”

Rom 10:9-10 … If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved. Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God–not the result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[jesusluv]

seetiger33, it isn’t either baptism or the Eucharist, it is both.

You have to remember, you come from Once Saved, Always Saved background. We believe salvation isn’t a one time event, it starts at baptism and lasts until the end. I don’t want to start an argument either, so instead of getting replied too by several people that you have to defend yourself against, please just send me a private message and I would be glad to discuss anything you want. I know the baptist faith(southern baptist anyway) and understand exactly where you come from in your beliefs and would gladly talk it over with you.

 

[seetiger33]

And again you assume. I do not believe once saved always saved. I keep my faith in check Daily. As so should everyone else on this earth. Being Catholic, Prodestant, Baptist does not save you. It is Christ I realize you have to finish the race. However Christ never leaves. We choose to leave him. Read my verses above again. If i confess with the mouth and believe he died and rose again I will be saved. Jesus Christ said this. Everyone before Christ didnt get Baptized or did they? Abraham, Noah. These great men of God. What about Adam and Eve. Are these people in Heaven? If course they are. If God is the same today yesterday and forever isnt his practice for entering heaven going to stay the same? It was faith and obediance. Faith is what produced obediance . They were looking for Christ. They knew he was coming just didnt know when. I am saved no doubt 100 percent sure of that. How do you explain my actions in life. How do you explain my walk and my hearts desire? How do you explain my answered prayers?It isnt the Devil I promise you. God does not confuse only the Devil does this. And I am now going to go read my Bible good night and God bless you all

 

[CARose]

Hi See

Welcome to our Forum. I hope you’re ok with our responding to your queries, as there are answers to your questions and we’re often quite happy to share the reason for the hope in our hearts. (Heck, wasn’t it Paul who told us we were to be always ready to share the reason for our hope?)

I think you’ll find that the deeper you look into what the Catholic Church teaches, the richer you will find it is in consistancy with scripture. I know that for much of my life, I was ignorant of this fact, even through I had been raised Catholic, and even attended Catholic school from 5th - 8th grade (along with religious education before that). But I didn’t do much as an individual to cultivate my relationship with Christ, even as the Graces of God were made available to me. (Darn that Free-Will stuff, and individuals who don’t accept the gift of Faith when God extends the offer to us when we’re growing up)

As an adult, I have a very close and personal relationship with Christ, as I think you will find with many of the Catholics who participate in this forum. Devout Catholics accept Christ and all the teachings he left us, both in scripture and through the Traditions retained in His Church.

So what’s this that suggests we need not only a personal relationship with Christ, not merely scripture, but also such actions as Baptism, Eating His Flesh and Tradition? Where do we get this stuff?

Actually, it’s all directly based on scripture and retained from the original teachings of the Christ and the Apostles in the Church which is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth.

Are you familiar with the Catechism of the Catholic Church? In it, what we believe is clearly and concisely stated, in most cases with the scriptural references to back what it taught. In the rare cases where the scripture is not directly specified, you will find that even these teachings are not contrary to scripture.

I hope this helps you to put your questions into a frame of why we believe the things we do.

Again, welcome. I hope this helps you understand a bit better why we believe what we do.

God Bless,

CARose

 

[CARose]

See,

Did you delete your post regarding not believing in Once Saved, Always Saved? I thought it was well written and gave me a greater insight into what you believe. I think you’re closer in belief to being Catholic than you realize.

Well, welcome,

CARose

 

[carol_marie]

hi seetiger,

May I ask you a question? Do you believe that a person must be baptized to go to heaven? Because you mentioned that baptism was only symbolic of your faith in Jesus - which is all that is necessary for salvation? I ask because I have a friend who was baptized as a baby (Lutheran) and she was considering joining a Baptist Church & she was told by the Pastor if she wanted to be a member of the church, she had to be baptized again - even though she’s clearly been a Christian for many many years.

Would you agree with that Pastor? She didn’t do it because of the scripture that says there is only one baptism…

P.S. I don’t care how you spell things… my spelling is terrible!

 

[sea_oat]

Philena:

I asked if you went to public school because apparently no one ever taught you how to spell.

Hmmm…what was the relevance of that comment to the subject matter, and to your following point? Not everyone grew up with enough privilege to be able to afford an education at a private school. I know I didn’t.

 

[carol_marie]

seetiger33:

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me.”

Rom 10:9-10 … If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved. Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God–not the result of works, so that no one may boast.

Seetiger,
I love those scriptures! Catholics also believe that salvation is a gift from God - it’s totally by His grace as none of us “deserves” heaven. But that scripture in Romans must be reconcilled with the other verses in the bible regarding salvation. I know that it’s often used to show that it’s just by “believing in Jesus” that we are saved - but there must be more to it because the Bible says that even the demons “believe.”

 

[GodSoldier]

carol marie:

Seetiger,
I love those scriptures! Catholics also believe that salvation is a gift from God - it’s totally by His grace as none of us “deserves” heaven. But that scripture in Romans must be reconcilled with the other verses in the bible regarding salvation. I know that it’s often used to show that it’s just by “believing in Jesus” that we are saved - but there must be more to it because the Bible says that even the demons “believe.”

Yeah, and a lot of people “believe”, as in logically understand, that George W. Bush is the POTUS, but don’t consider him THEIR leader, or THIER President.

I believe that Vladimir Putin is the PM of Russia, but that doesn’t mean I follow him as a leader.

“Believing in your heart” is accepting and taking Jesus in as your personal savior, not simply understanding He is the Son of God. That’s what it takes to be justified by FAITH.