Ok im getitng this straight. I am a baptist . I have been Baptised

[b_justb]

Mark 16:15-16 He said to them, “Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.”

The “He” referenced is Jesus. I would think this should end any doubt with anyone who thinks himself a Christian.

I do not understand the logic behind: I want to debate a topic and or an idea that I find antithetical to Christianity but refuse to use or look at Christian authorities such as the Scriptures and the earliest Christian teachings.

 

[twiztedseraph]

seetiger33:

I do not believe nor have ever been taught in my Baptist faith that its being baptised that saves you. It is a symbol of what you have become. Jesus blood washes away sins. You rise as a new creature in Christ. Jesus Christ saved me not that stinking cold water. Not the man that dunked me. So if some baptist are teaching that being baptised saves you they are dead wrong and need to check there salvation.

Funny how the Apostles always baptised no matter how inconvenient. Funny how the Bible according to our Protestant Brethren who try to take Genesis completely literal in both science and history, choose to take the entire sacramental theology which was made possible for us by Christ’s incarnation, symbolically. Funny how we can trace our lines back to Jesus but Protestants only to mere men. Funny how the Bible was written by Catholics for Catholics. Check their salvation? So do you believe once saved always saved? Funny how St Paul compares salvation to a race, that never ends until…death!

So many funny things, my ribs are hurting!

 

[Subrosa]

seetiger33:

I do not believe nor have ever been taught in my Baptist faith that its being baptised that saves you. It is a symbol of what you have become. Jesus blood washes away sins. You rise as a new creature in Christ. Jesus Christ saved me not that stinking cold water. Not the man that dunked me. So if some baptist are teaching that being baptised saves you they are dead wrong and need to check there salvation.

Look at it this way - You cannot receive the salvation of Christ’s sacrifice without first being baptised. It has to do something. The way God performs his functions is throuigh delivery by the Holy Spirit.

 

[twiztedseraph]

Subrosa:

Look at it this way - You cannot receive the salvation of Christ’s sacrifice without first being baptised. It has to do something. The way God performs his functions is throuigh delivery by the Holy Spirit.

Yeah another fanclub member!

 

[blackstone]

Gee ! I allways thought the Bible was written be Jews in the Old Testament and the New Testament by Christain Jews

 

[Mickey]

blackstone:

Gee ! I allways thought the Bible was written be Jews in the Old Testament and the New Testament by Christain Jews

The question is:
Who decided which writings were divinely inspired and then compiled them?

 

[scylla]

Christian Jews were Catholic that is why Catholics say that. Very early on though Gentiles started converting and then it wasn’t just Jews comprising the early Church.

The name Catholic existed from the first century.
This can be verified by looking up to early Christian writings and looking at their beliefs and what they called themselves.

Again I suggest looking at the links provided earlier.

The Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church so people would know what was scripture and what wasn’t.

God Bless
Scylla

 

[DianJo]

Hi Seetiger33,
You asked, “Is it one or both?” concerning the sacraments. I have trouble with saying that ALL you have to “do” to be saved is to believe. Jesus spent too much time on this earth teaching us “how to get to heaven”, He showed us how to do that!

While Jesus was on this earth, the Apostles spent all of their time with Him, learning from Him. He walked with the Apostles. They witnessed His miracles and listened to what He taught the Jews. They experienced Him. That’s what the Sacraments are. It’s not just one thing, it’s all that Jesus left us, it’s all He gave us while He walked among us. Everyday the Apostles had an experience with Jesus. We can experience Jesus everyday, in some way, but the Sacraments are “tangible” ways that we can ask for that encounter with Jesus. He gives us His sanctifying grace.

The Sacraments are our experience with Jesus. The Apostles wanted us to have what they had while Jesus was here. They experienced Him everyday and they wanted to pass that on to us, therefore, that experience comes to us through the sacraments. These are the main “events” that the Apostles experienced with Jesus.

We can experience Him everyday in the Eucharist that He gave us at the Last Supper. It is our daily encounter with Him - our strength to persevere. Our Baptism is our “membership” into the Body of Christ. It is our initial justification. We become part of His Body. As we grow, we are given other opportunities to encounter Jesus through the other sacraments. Reconciliation or confession to help mend our relationship with Jesus when we separate ourselves from Him - sin, the Eucharist, where we become one with Jesus. He enters our body and becomes one with us and He gives us the strength we need to lives as he commands us to live and to do His work. The sacrament of Marriage where we, as a couple ask Jesus to bless our union and to be part of our union, just like Jesus is the bridegroom and the Church is the bride. The Sacrament of Holy Orders, where a man offers his life back to Jesus to do His will and the will of the Father, just as the Apostles did. The Sacrament of the Sick, where we are annointed with holy oils, just as in the old and new testament, we again are given an opportunity to confess our sins and to mend our relationship with Jesus and to receive His Body and Blood before entering eternity or just to have the strength to overcome an illness. The Sacraments are the way we keep Jesus in forefront of everything we do.

These were the ways that the people and the Apostles encountered Jesus on a daily basis. Why wouldn’t we want the same thing? Jesus said he would send the Holy Spirit to the Apostles to help them remember everything He taught them. The Apostles wanted us to have what they had - that’s why they gave us the Sacraments. We believe that our salvation is ongoing, not a one time thing. That’s why we have the sacraments - to help us to be closer to Jesus and to help us to persevere to the end.

 

[MariaG]

Just a FYI. You say your friend used to be Catholic and you have been learning alot about Catholic beliefs from him. Please, do not take the explanation of someone who left the Catholic Christian faith on what we believe. Ask those of us who practice it.

Your friend never understood the Catholic faith if he left it.

 

[seetiger33]

No guys I am here I was doing private posting with one of your fellow catholic friends and my friend to. I do not believe once you are saved you are always saved. I keep my faith in check daily. When I think of my salvation I dont think about the man that baptised me or the communion I do partake of in the baptist church i attend. I think of what Christ did for all of us. I do have to finish the race. I am open minded as long as it is biblical and Christ centered. There are many many questions concerning the bible. It doesnt matter if you are catholic, baptist, protistant. It isnt religion title that saves us. Its Christ. There are very arrogant people on all sides of religion. Christ was not arrogant he was humble. Think of the Lady at the wale. Think of Mary Magdelene. He didnt come to condem us. We were already condemed. Lets lift each other up not put down. Where there is a human there is error. Where there is Christ there is love. If you keep yourslef in check daily and we are all wrong and believe you can loose it. We get to heaven and Christ says I never left you I was always right there. But it puts us closer to Christ staying in check on a daily bases. However if you have been circumsided ie…baptized dont live like the devil. As the bible says if you are living a hellish life and have partaken all these things its better not to be. Especially when a unbaptized and uncircumcized man is living better and is stronger in the faith.

 

[carol_marie]

seetiger,

I like your post.

God Bless you,
CM

 

[scylla]

If you spend some time on these boards you will find that what we think it does matter what denomination you are.
And the reason for it is this.

If denominations are contradicting each other then that means that something is not right. Since things are either true or not.

Jesus taught the apostles and he prayed that they would be of one faith. This is something he wants, yet we don’t see that. So that means some people are not doing God’s will. Saying it doesn’t matter, is directly contradicting the Bible, which therefore is speaking against scripture. That is why it is so important.

We should seek the truth and what is God’s will. That is why we discuss the faith, we want the do the will of God. We should trust in Christ and seek the truth.

In Christ
Scylla

 

[jesusluv]

blackstone:

Gee ! I allways thought the Bible was written be Jews in the Old Testament and the New Testament by Christain Jews

Luke wasn’t a Jew and he wrote two books in the NT. Am I right?

 

[Bishopite]

Jesusluv said: “Luke wasn’t a Jew and he wrote two books in the NT. Am I right?”

Right you are. Luke was not a Jew but was from Antioch and a Greek it is said and he was a doctor and companion of Paul,which would have helped St. Paul through all of his trials and tribulations, beatings, half-drownings etc. He also wrote the book of Acts as you correctly stated.

It is ironic that Baptists as any other Protestant denomination, actually can’t say and know for sure who wrote Luke since the Bible doesn’t say who wrote Luke; none of the other three gospels say who wrote them either.

Yet all Protestants rely on Apostolic oral Tradition (whether they know it or not) which was passed down through the Catholic Church to say who wrote the gospels. And they have the New Testament canon of Scripture having 27 books because the Catholic Church recognized what was and wasn’t sacred Scripture. It was through sacred Apostolic oral Tradition that the Catholic Bishops in union with the Bishop of Rome (Pope) recognized what was and wasn’t the infallible word of God and they recogized it infallibly (some Protestant theologians say they did it fallibly which is nuts and very irrational).

Catholics know the canon is complete because the Church tells them so as the Church came before the Scriptures were written and it is the Church that God allowed to authoritatively pronounce what was and wasn’t His infallible word

I didn’t see this verse in any of the posts (or I perhaps missed it):

Mark 16:16 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; he who does not believe will be condemned.”

 

[RCCDefender]

blackstone:

Gee ! I allways thought the Bible was written be Jews in the Old Testament and the New Testament by Christain Jews

Gee! You think Paul was a Jew??

 

[Contarini]

(some Protestant theologians say they did it fallibly which is nuts and very irrational).

Why is it irrational?

Edwin

 

[CARose]

Contarini:

Why is it irrational?

Edwin

I think that the point he’s trying to make is that it’s irrational to suggest that something which is inerrant comes from a fallible source. As Catholics, we acknowledge that God has given us an infallible church to retain the Truths given to us by Christ. It is through this living Teaching Authority that we retain the Truth without vearing off course.

CARose

 

[Warrior4Truth]

seetiger33:

No guys I am here I was doing private posting with one of your fellow catholic friends and my friend to. I do not believe once you are saved you are always saved. I keep my faith in check daily. When I think of my salvation I dont think about the man that baptised me or the communion I do partake of in the baptist church i attend. I think of what Christ did for all of us. I do have to finish the race. I am open minded as long as it is biblical and Christ centered. There are many many questions concerning the bible. It doesnt matter if you are catholic, baptist, protistant. It isnt religion title that saves us. Its Christ. There are very arrogant people on all sides of religion. Christ was not arrogant he was humble. Think of the Lady at the wale. Think of Mary Magdelene. He didnt come to condem us. We were already condemed. Lets lift each other up not put down. Where there is a human there is error. Where there is Christ there is love. If you keep yourslef in check daily and we are all wrong and believe you can loose it. We get to heaven and Christ says I never left you I was always right there. But it puts us closer to Christ staying in check on a daily bases. However if you have been circumsided ie…baptized dont live like the devil. As the bible says if you are living a hellish life and have partaken all these things its better not to be. Especially when a unbaptized and uncircumcized man is living better and is stronger in the faith.

All I can say to this is AMEN.

 

[MariaG]

RCCDefender:

Gee! You think Paul was a Jew??

Actually, Paul was a Jew. A faithful one who persecuted Christians who were not following the one true God. Until God paid him a little visit in the desert.