Ok lets have it out.. who is right and who is wrong....

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Another thread im starting, we are basically eating up other threads with this simple argument, who is right and who is wrong with their beliefs… lets get started and stop wasting this on other threads…
 
dolphinlove said:
Another thread im starting, we are basically eating up other threads with this simple argument, who is right and who is wrong with their beliefs… lets get started and stop wasting this on other threads…
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My wife says she is right…on everything 😃
 
First, I must come to understand the term “Protestant Unity”, the greatest oxymoron I’ve ever known.🤷
 
The most interesting issue is that the entire Protestant/Non-Denominational movement is predicated on defiance of authority.

Defiance of authority has it’s roots in the Bible, tracing all the way back to Adam and Eve with the apple.

Our separated brothers decry our Papal authority, yet set themselves as individual authorities, the ultimate defiance of authority.

So, how can there ever be unity in what is right and what is wrong, when we are surrounded by those who claim to be individual authority, a.k.a. religious anarchy?

Unfortunately, countless Protestant and Non-Denominationals overemphaize anti-Catholicism in their teachings, as opposed to teaching their own doctrines.

If thier true mission was to bring others to Christ, they wouldn’t be spending their time and effort attempting to tear down Catholics, they’d be concentrating on those who have never known Christ.

How many Catholics out there (raise your hands) have been approached by some form of P/ND, and asked if you "have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ -or- “have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Savior?”

If you answered “yes”, were then asked “what church you attend”…and the anti-Catholic bash began in earnest.

Methinks their efforts are misguided. Thus, the P/ND crowd will never be able to agree on what is right and wrong.
 
Well said Uncle…

The first sin was a rebellion against the authority of God to tell Adam and Eve what they were to do in regards to the Tree. They decided to figure it out for themselves and do what felt right. hm…

If we were as wrong as people like to say we are, why are we target #1 in their ‘evangelism’ schemes?

Anyway, thanks for a post that brought me out of my long hibernation from the forum.

God Bless,
MarysRoses
 
Uncle_Norbert said:
The most interesting issue is that the entire Protestant/Non-Denominational movement is predicated on defiance of authority.

Defiance of authority has it’s roots in the Bible, tracing all the way back to Adam and Eve with the apple.

Our separated brothers decry our Papal authority, yet set themselves as individual authorities, the ultimate defiance of authority.

So, how can there ever be unity in what is right and what is wrong, when we are surrounded by those who claim to be individual authority, a.k.a. religious anarchy?

Unfortunately, countless Protestant and Non-Denominationals overemphaize anti-Catholicism in their teachings, as opposed to teaching their own doctrines.

If thier true mission was to bring others to Christ, they wouldn’t be spending their time and effort attempting to tear down Catholics, they’d be concentrating on those who have never known Christ.

How many Catholics out there (raise your hands) have been approached by some form of P/ND, and asked if you "have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ -or- “have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Savior?”

If you answered “yes”, were then asked “what church you attend”…and the anti-Catholic bash began in earnest.

Methinks their efforts are misguided. Thus, the P/ND crowd will never be able to agree on what is right and wrong.
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I just tell them where is the word “personal” in the bible?
That word came out from Luther.
 
Bottom line…whether we like it or not, the Catholic Church is “right” while the others for hundreds of years have been trying to re-define “right” to suit their whims.
 
I’ll throw out my vote for the Orthodox . They have the Faith of the Fathers.
 
God is Right.
Listen to God.
Talk to God.

I’m reminded of a sermon we had the other day.
in 1 Samuel 3:9 Samuel was awakened by the Lord but thought it was his Father calling him. After the third time, Eli figured out what was happening and told his son tha the next time he was awakened to say “Speak Lord. Your servant is listening”.

Father admonished us to pay heed to this because too often in our prayers it is Listen Lord. Your servent is speaking!

I’m afraid that applies to all too many of us. Catholics and Protestants.

Peace
James
 
MariaG said:
And the Catholic don’t?
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Not according to the Orthodox. They view the Roman Catholic ecclesiology as a departure from the Apostolic Faith. They view the Orthodox Church as the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church and the “latins” as heretical, at least in their eccesiology.
 
VARC said:
Not according to the Orthodox. They view the Roman Catholic ecclesiology as a departure from the Apostolic Faith. They view the Orthodox Church as the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church and the “latins” as heretical, at least in their eccesiology.
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Yet the Catholic don’t see that at all.

I was in a different discussion, but this point reminded me of the discussions of quotes by ECF. The Orthodox bring up quotes that “prove” the PRIMACY of Peter, or “first among equals”. Yet those same quotes show to me the soundness of the Catholic position.

I think one was Justin Martyr?

Peter was the leader of the choir of apostles.

Somehow that means first among equals to the EO and not the leader of the apostles:shrug: I am a simple person and see that when someone is a leader of others, even if the others are called a choir of apostles, I believe that is what it means and don’t go through contortions to try and change the plain meaning of the words to fit my religious view.

Both the Orthodox and the Catholic see themselves and interpret the ECF as they faithfully follow.

Your sister in Christ,
Maria
 
MariaG said:
Yet the Catholic don’t see that at all.

I was in a different discussion, but this point reminded me of the discussions of quotes by ECF. The Orthodox bring up quotes that “prove” the PRIMACY of Peter, or “first among equals”. Yet those same quotes show to me the soundness of the Catholic position.

I think one was Justin Martyr?

Peter was the leader of the choir of apostles.

Somehow that means first among equals to the EO and not the leader of the apostles:shrug: I am a simple person and see that when someone is a leader of others, even if the others are called a choir of apostles, I believe that is what it means and don’t go through contortions to try and change the plain meaning of the words to fit my religious view.

Both the Orthodox and the Catholic see themselves and interpret the ECF as they faithfully follow.

Your sister in Christ,
Maria
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I’ll respect the catholics view concerning the papal role even if I disagree with it. But catholics have to admit that papal infallibility was not ever mentioned by Fathers and they did not believe it. It was formulated much later after the schism. In that example, the catholic faith differs from the faith of the Fathers.
 
MariaG said:
Yet the Catholic don’t see that at all.

I was in a different discussion, but this point reminded me of the discussions of quotes by ECF. The Orthodox bring up quotes that “prove” the PRIMACY of Peter, or “first among equals”. Yet those same quotes show to me the soundness of the Catholic position.

I think one was Justin Martyr?

Peter was the leader of the choir of apostles.

Somehow that means first among equals to the EO and not the leader of the apostles:shrug: I am a simple person and see that when someone is a leader of others, even if the others are called a choir of apostles, I believe that is what it means and don’t go through contortions to try and change the plain meaning of the words to fit my religious view.

Both the Orthodox and the Catholic see themselves and interpret the ECF as they faithfully follow.

Your sister in Christ,
Maria
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If I may interject, the musical analogy struck me.
Ina orchestra there is a person (usually the first chair violin) called the concert master (I think). Anyway this person makes sure that all is in order before the conductor comes out. This person is both a leader and a performing member of the orchestra. Thus could be described as first among equals.
Pehaps this will help explain the orthodox view.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
If I may interject, the musical analogy struck me.
Ina orchestra there is a person (usually the first chair violin) called the concert master (I think). Anyway this person makes sure that all is in order before the conductor comes out. This person is both a leader and a performing member of the orchestra. Thus could be described as first among equals.
Pehaps this will help explain the orthodox view.

Peace
James
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You are correct. First chair violin is indeed the “Concertmaster”, and performs as you say 👍
 
VARC said:
I’ll respect the catholics view concerning the papal role even if I disagree with it. But catholics have to admit that papal infallibility was not ever mentioned by Fathers and they did not believe it. It was formulated much later after the schism. In that example, the catholic faith differs from the faith of the Fathers.
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Yet I would contend that we can see papal infallibility even in scripture itself although the doctrine itself was not fully understood or developed until later.

So in fact, I would disagree that it differs. It developed. Big difference.
 
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