ok to use condoms if have std and past child bearing?

[Rau]

(I thought you might ask me this…)

1. There was nothing implied in the other thread about seeing their priest on the matter. I told them quite explicitly that they needed to talk to their priest.
2. There can be a considerable difference in advice given to someone dealing with a real life and highly complex situation such as is presented in the other thread - and someone who seems to be putting out a hypothetical situation with very few details - which seems to be the situation here.

Peace
James

Nice try, but I’m not buying

Your position in this thread is that the action in question is immoral - no suggestion of an exception being available.

Your position on the other thread was to explicitly suggest that there can be exceptions to “the law”.

Do you believe that a married couple using contraception is sometimes, in some circumstances, morally good?

Do you believe that a married couple employing a condom during sex is always wrong?

 

[on_the_hill]

I feel a woman should be able to at least pray that she won’t conceive when she doesn’t want to.

I agree.
As I recall, there’s a story in the Bible about a man who prays, ‘I’d rather not go through this passion, but thy will be done.’

 

[maryjk]

That’s kind of what I thought. Personally, I don’t feel childless marriages are very traditional. I know it’s a different story if she is unable to conceive, then they may adopt. The marriage where the man and woman are both “career people” is not really my type. But I was just asking these questions, simply because I wasn’t fully sure of the laws. Now that you’ve said it, I do remember that as being one of the questions the priest asks of the couple standing at the altar. And I think it’s special and beautiful.

Luckily, people don’t need you to bless their marriage.

You do realize that if a couple is having problems with fertility, they won’t always tell you about it. It isn’t announced from the pulpit. In fact, most of the time, it is a VERY private matter. They will simply look like a childless couple. Pr maybe a couple with one child. And since the wife might not be a stay-at-home mom, she might, instead have a career. (It isn’t as easy to adopt as you might think.)

I will say that after researching Dr Hilgers cans his team of docs, there is NO medical reason to be on the pill. The pill fixes the symptoms, not the root cause of the actual problem.

Actually according to medical doctors, there is. And since you are not a medical doctor, you are in no position to tell people that there isn’t/

As for those who say the man cannot possibly be chaste forever, perhaps he just needs to accept the consequence (std) of his (or a partner’s) sin.

Tell that to the husband of a wife that was raped. Maybe you could clarify for me, who’s sin is that, his or his wife’s?

(No, I am not saying that anyone should be using condoms, for any reason. But no one should assume that they know what goes on inside other people’s lives.)

 

[JRKH]

Nice try, but I’m not buying

I’m not selling so it doesn’t matter if you are not buying…

Your position in this thread is that the action in question is immoral - no suggestion of an exception being available.

Your position on the other thread was to explicitly suggest that there can be exceptions to “the law”.
My answer here is that - in the hypothetical presented - it would not be an acceptable course.
The matter under discussion in the other thread is much more complicated.
I will not derail this thread by going into it here.

Do you believe that a married couple using contraception is sometimes, in some circumstances, morally good?

I don’t know if I would go so far as to say it is a “moral good” but I do believe there can be circumstances where it can be acceptable.
Such specific circumstance and situations must be addressed privately on an individual, case by case, basis by those involved and their spiritual director.

Peace
James

 

[Crown_of_Stars]

Luckily, people don’t need you to bless their marriage.

You do realize that if a couple is having problems with fertility, they won’t always tell you about it. It isn’t announced from the pulpit. In fact, most of the time, it is a VERY private matter. They will simply look like a childless couple. Pr maybe a couple with one child. And since the wife might not be a stay-at-home mom, she might, instead have a career. (It isn’t as easy to adopt as you might think.)

I didn’t mean to sound harsh in the post of mine which you quoted. I apologize if I did. Yes, I know, of course it’s private and I know adoption isn’t easy. Actually, I think it’s nice to have natural, moral control over how many children a married man and woman have. I don’t feel they need to have multiple children. If they want that, it’s their decision, but one or two children makes a nice, small family. If I were planning a family, naturally, of course, I would really only want two children at the most. But what does a couple do, if they just keep conceiving and don’t really want to, have no room, or enough money to afford child after child after child? I’m not asking sarcastically, I just really don’t know. I’m a forty-one-year-old woman, but I have never been married, so I wouldn’t know.

 

[Rau]

… If I were planning a family, naturally, of course, I would really only want two children at the most. But what does a couple do, if they just keep conceiving and don’t really want to, have no room, or enough money to afford child after child after child? I’m not asking sarcastically, I just really don’t know. I’m a forty-one-year-old woman, but I have never been married, so I wouldn’t know.

I am sure you are not alone in imagining that 2 children makes for an ideal family. If the couple “keep conceiving”, not to ‘plan’, then I guess they need to review the female cycle and family planning methods or get some training. Ultimately, all such methods involve a degree of abstinence from sex.