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Kendy:
Can I still go to prostestant church if I don’t receive communion? And go to mass later that day?

Kendy

P.S. Would I have to stop going to Christian concerts? As far as I can tell you guys don’t put on any. How is it that there are not more (any?) catholics producing contemporary music praising God? :mad:
Kendy,
I personally felt that attending both a Protestant “worship service” and a mass on the same day was helpful in my reversion back to Catholicism. The theological, devotional, and even superficial differences between the two are stunning to say the least. I know for myself at some point I really didn’t even have a choice, God put me in the Catholic church, I couldn’t have stayed Evangelical if I wanted too! Good luck on your journey, I encourage you to keep seeking the truth. Blessings, dljl
 
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Kendy:
Ok, You win. Having spent some time on this site, and having done some other reading and thinking. I have decided that the RCC is right about some pretty crucial theological questions.

But I have to admit I am not happy about it. I am not experiencing some of the happy going back home feelings that you reverts have been talking about.

It’s more like fine; I’ll go home 😦

Kendy
You will be welcomed back home joyously, with open arms, like the prodigal son!
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Music is wonderful - and there are some FANTASTIC Catholic artists. Look up the Catholic Music Network online… For Rap and hip/hop, try Phat Mass…

For Jazz and great stuff - Father Stan Fortuna.

John Michael Talbot is an amazing Catholic musician.

And - while some disagree - I bet if you find a Parish with a Life Teen Mass, you will find it quite interesting! Check on line for local Charistmatic Catholic groups.

Also - check your area for Theology on Tap…

EWTN is having a celebration in St. Louis ewtn25.com/st_louis.asp

Welcome home!
 
I don’t know about teen mass since I am 26, but I will look into the rest:).

Kendy
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kage_ar:
Music is wonderful - and there are some FANTASTIC Catholic artists. Look up the Catholic Music Network online… For Rap and hip/hop, try Phat Mass…

For Jazz and great stuff - Father Stan Fortuna.

John Michael Talbot is an amazing Catholic musician.

And - while some disagree - I bet if you find a Parish with a Life Teen Mass, you will find it quite interesting! Check on line for local Charistmatic Catholic groups.

Also - check your area for Theology on Tap…

EWTN is having a celebration in St. Louis ewtn25.com/st_louis.asp

Welcome home!
 
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Maranatha:
Kenedy,

Listen to this and let us know what you think.

Michael
Michael,

I love it! It was amazing. It was brilliant! It described all the reasons why I left the church and all the reason why I want to come back to the church. It should required for every catholic and protestant. I really have to look into this guy. Thank you for sharing this. :clapping:

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
I don’t know about teen mass since I am 26, but I will look into the rest:).

Kendy
Well, I’ve attended a couple of Life Teen Masses and the first digit in MY age is a 4 :eek: … my teen son does not really like them…

I spent a few years in the non-denom Charistmatic Praise and Worship type churches, and IMHO, someone coming from that type of worship might really feel at home in a Life Teen Mass because of the music. Many of the more traditional Catholics do not like them…

I’m neutral - of course, I love gregorian chant and alternative rock, so, I’m a bit of an odd ball.

Anyway - come on back.
 
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Kendy:
Second, I love my church. I have never been around a group of people who are more committed to serving God and loving each other. The Hyde park Vineyard really exemplifies faith without works is dead. Anyone who doesn’t take their faith seriously would just uncomfortable being there. When I lost my job, the church came together and paid my rent. I would have never even thought of asking my catholic parish for that kind of help. Everything in my church is done with the utmost commitment to God. Our church secretary treats her job like a mission. She, like the majority of the people there, just exude with God’s love. How many homeless people attend your church? Hyde Park Vineyard takes, the poor you will have with you seriously. We not only invite them but are ministering to them. We have gotten them jobs, we are currently helping one woman get back to school. We have members all over the world working in orphanages, building schools for street children in Thailand, people risking their lives in Islamic countries to bring the gospel to muslims.

So, I have to leave that to go back to what I remember as just a bunch of lukewarm, 1 hr on Sunday only Christians.

I love my pastor! I think he would priests a run for their money. How am I going to tell him this?

Kendy
Kendy,
It is people like you, who are madly in love with Jesus Christ, who are desperately needed in his Church. I hope you are able to thrive in whatever parish you come home to.
 
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trustmc:
Actually, it was Calvin who came up with OSAS, otherwise known as “the perseverence of the saints.” Luther, like his successors, believed that one could lose one’s salvation when one loses one’s faith. He did agree with Catholic teaching on that and many other points. Anglicans and Wesleyans also believe the same thing. OSAS, a Calvinist doctrine followed by some – but not all – evangelicals, is a minority position among protestant traditions. Just an FYI… and thanks for your witness to Kendy.

Mike
Thank you, Mike. It was Calvin. What was I thinking? Senior moment, I guess! 😃 Luther’s innovation was sola fide not OSAS. Duh! :o
 
Hi! I don’t post much but I did note something that might be of some interest from a different viewpoint…
Anyone who doesn’t take their faith seriously would just uncomfortable being there
I’ve noted that in non-Catholicism, the the churches seemed to be filled with people that are very active and brimming with enthusiasm but once I read a post somewhere noting that there are nominal, lukewarm Chirstians out there but are not likely to turn up at church. In my own experiance, I was a nominal Catholic who fell away, I’ve gone to non-Catholic services and would likely be very turned away from the very acive fellowship type because it would just be uncomfortable for me to be there. Even if I wanted to be more active in my Christian life I would instinctively resent any passive-aggressive persuasion for me to do what I wasn’t ready to do even if it wasn’t meant that way by the congregation. I would smile at them and be polite but probably never come back.
So, I have to leave that to go back to what I remember as just a bunch of lukewarm, 1 hr on Sunday only Christians.
On the other hand, in a Catholic Mass where the actual Mass is meant for worshipful prayer and being present at Calvary, I didn’t and wouldn’t feel pressured to do anything I wasn’t ready to, even recieving Holy Communion. There are many activities outside of Mass that would minister to the needy, families, community, etc… and I knew they were there if I was ready to go.

All in all, the nominal, lukewarm 1 hr on Sunday only Christians are the ones that NEED to be at Church the most. They may be going through slooooow conversion experiances (like me 🙂 ) to where others can not see what is going on but we never know what is going on inside of them.

It speaks to the Holy Spirit in the Church of the strong pull for those types of Christians to still go to Mass on Sundays, where they otherwise wouldn’t go.

It’s easy or shall I say easier to attract more vibrant, active Christians with a church brimming with vibrant, active Christians. But as I’ve mentioned it passive-aggressively or rather unintentionally pushes away the people that need to be there the most, no matter how welcoming and smiling the people are (believe me).

This pull of the Catholic Church brings in all levels of Christians in their spiritual strength, and yes, the majority are not even taking their baby steps yet (although it is amazing to note that their children are more eager in this regard).

So, not at all to disregard the wonderful fruits of your church (please believe I mean no disrespect at all), but things look different from a focused look at both Churches and their congregation niche to an broader perspective of what is of more benefit to God’s children of all different personalities, intelligences, backgrounds, etc…

I really do hope I helped. I do want you to know that I am very empathic to your need of an active congregation, I’m not trying to negate that, but instead I’m trying to help you have less resentment (for lack of a better word 🙂 ) down the road with a nominal parish. You might in time see these nominal Christians as a blessing to your parish and a call from God for you to help them.

P.S. I strongly recommend you look up both your Diocese and local Parish website and find what they have to offer in their different ministries. Guadalupanas Rock!!
 
That’s a good perspective. Thanks:)

Kendy
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MParedon:
Hi! I don’t post much but I did note something that might be of some interest from a different viewpoint…

I’ve noted that in non-Catholicism, the the churches seemed to be filled with people that are very active and brimming with enthusiasm but once I read a post somewhere noting that there are nominal, lukewarm Chirstians out there but are not likely to turn up at church. In my own experiance, I was a nominal Catholic who fell away, I’ve gone to non-Catholic services and would likely be very turned away from the very acive fellowship type because it would just be uncomfortable for me to be there. Even if I wanted to be more active in my Christian life I would instinctively resent any passive-aggressive persuasion for me to do what I wasn’t ready to do even if it wasn’t meant that way by the congregation. I would smile at them and be polite but probably never come back.

On the other hand, in a Catholic Mass where the actual Mass is meant for worshipful prayer and being present at Calvary, I didn’t and wouldn’t feel pressured to do anything I wasn’t ready to, even recieving Holy Communion. There are many activities outside of Mass that would minister to the needy, families, community, etc… and I knew they were there if I was ready to go.

All in all, the nominal, lukewarm 1 hr on Sunday only Christians are the ones that NEED to be at Church the most. They may be going through slooooow conversion experiances (like me 🙂 ) to where others can not see what is going on but we never know what is going on inside of them.

It speaks to the Holy Spirit in the Church of the strong pull for those types of Christians to still go to Mass on Sundays, where they otherwise wouldn’t go.

It’s easy or shall I say easier to attract more vibrant, active Christians with a church brimming with vibrant, active Christians. But as I’ve mentioned it passive-aggressively or rather unintentionally pushes away the people that need to be there the most, no matter how welcoming and smiling the people are (believe me).

This pull of the Catholic Church brings in all levels of Christians in their spiritual strength, and yes, the majority are not even taking their baby steps yet (although it is amazing to note that their children are more eager in this regard).

So, not at all to disregard the wonderful fruits of your church (please believe I mean no disrespect at all), but things look different from a focused look at both Churches and their congregation niche to an broader perspective of what is of more benefit to God’s children of all different personalities, intelligences, backgrounds, etc…

I really do hope I helped. I do want you to know that I am very empathic to your need of an active congregation, I’m not trying to negate that, but instead I’m trying to help you have less resentment (for lack of a better word 🙂 ) down the road with a nominal parish. You might in time see these nominal Christians as a blessing to your parish and a call from God for you to help them.

P.S. I strongly recommend you look up both your Diocese and local Parish website and find what they have to offer in their different ministries. Guadalupanas Rock!!
 
Kendy, I remember you mentioning in one of your initial posts on the forum that you were instrumental in your parents’ leaving of the Church; will you now help them back along with you?
 
I have thought about that. I never told my parents to become protestant; they chose to because, I imagine, they noticed the impact it had on me. Telling my parents what to do is not a role I am comfortable in, particularly, my father. He is now a deacon at the church that I initially joined and is in a better place spiritually than he was before. I don’t believe that his salvation in danger, but you are welcome to try to convince me otherwise.

I will certainly tell them what I have come to understand about the church that I did not ten years ago. However, I am not sure I am ready to push harder than that.

Kendy

P.S. I have essentially done the same with members of my church. I have explained why I think I am doing the right thing, but I have not tried to bring anyone with me. To be honest, I don’t I am knowledgeable enough to be able to do that.
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FCEGM:
Kendy, I remember you mentioning in one of your initial posts on the forum that you were instrumental in your parents’ leaving of the Church; will you now help them back along with you?
 
Kendy, I can understand your hesitancy to do more than serve as an example for your parents, and I hope that the example of their daughter’s life returned to full communion with Christ’s Church will be all the incentive they need to join you back home.
He is now a deacon at the church that I initially joined and is in a better place spiritually than he was before. I don’t believe that his salvation in danger, but you are welcome to try to convince me otherwise.
It’s not so much a question of his salvation, but that the best means to it are found in the sacramental life of the Church which unites us so intimately to Christ; this is what we should all want and pray for for all our loved ones.
 
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Kendy:
I don’t believe that his salvation in danger, but you are welcome to try to convince me otherwise.
Hi,
That statement reminds me of a situation have I encountered. After speaking at length with my evangelical friends and having spent 10 years in the evangelical church before returning to the catholic church, I realized how much the idea of “assurance of salvation” affected my friend’s theology and focus. Please don’t get me wrong, salvation is a CRUCIAL issue, however I see my friends so obsessed with assurance, that it colored everything they thought and did with their relationship with Jesus. I think it’s very hard to understand catholicism through the lens of OSAS rather than the “hope of Salvation”. I spend most of my time with my protestant brothers and sisters discussing OSAS and authority.
Blessings.
 
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dljl:
Hi,
That statement reminds me of a situation have I encountered. After speaking at length with my evangelical friends and having spent 10 years in the evangelical church before returning to the catholic church, I realized how much the idea of “assurance of salvation” affected my friend’s theology and focus. Please don’t get me wrong, salvation is a CRUCIAL issue, however I see my friends so obsessed with assurance, that it colored everything they thought and did with their relationship with Jesus. I think it’s very hard to understand catholicism through the lens of OSAS rather than the “hope of Salvation”. I spend most of my time with my protestant brothers and sisters discussing OSAS and authority.
Blessings.
Oh, I don’t think my father believes in OSAS, although that is the official position of the Southern Baptist convention. I only mean that my father is a committed Christian, and his commitment to God, since he became protestant, has been remarkable. He’s not just actively involved in the church, but he is also a better, more loving human being. When I was young, I was terrified of my father’s yelling, and now, I think my father is one of the most peaceful and kind human beings I know. I guess, I just don’t really want to rock the boat right now.

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
I am sorry but that’s not something I see myself doing right now. I have the deepest respect for the people at my church and I can’t imagine asking them to abandon our church. I can’t even believe I am doing it!

Anyway, I know the Holy Spirit is at work there. I see it everyday. I will let God continue ministering through the the Hyde Park Vineyard since He does it so well.

Kendy
Your Church, or His Church?

God bless,
 
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