Old Calendar - Julian Calendar

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Charlie_Zeaiter said:
Hi Chris,

My thoughts is that changing the date calculations is a risk. How can we be sure everybody will follow the change? The last thing we need is more division.

We have the Catholics on one side, and we have the Orthodox on the other. So far, Protestants are following the Catholics, but who is to say that that will continue if the Catholics change?

For example, in Australia, we have a public holiday on Good Friday. Imagine if the Vatican changed the date of Easter, but the Australian Government didn’t; The logistics for a world wide change is mammoth.

What we need is for the whole world to come together is big group hug and decide a date for Easter. I would love to see our leaders do this.
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Oh, I’m not suggesting that we change anything… I’m just trying to understand ‘why’ we have a difference and ‘why’ factions appear to be rationalizing the distinctions.

By-the-way, you’ve been wonderfully helpful and thanks so much for your knowledge on the subject. Its been invaluable!

With that said, could you explain the “revised” julian calendar? What has changed? Why keep a julian calendar? Is it only because it lines up with Jewish Passover? Is that it?

God Bless.
 
Patchunky, in post # 9 above, gave the following link…
orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/fasts_feasts/makarios_tillyrides_celebrate_easter.htm

And in that link it says -
Although the Eastern Church has neglected consideration for the progressive loss of time since AD 325, the Western Church has also neglected this, in addition to not having taken into account either the original method for the determination of the Passover date or the accurate determination of the vernal equinox, without which an accurate determination of the date of Easter is impossible. The present discrepancy is consequently a result of all the above-mentioned factors and will not be resolved unless new standards of accuracy are sought and effected.
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My interpretation is the Orthodox are not going to give up their faulty calculation to a Catholic calculation which is also faulty.

P.S. I’m not sure if we are on the same page, because I’m not sure what is a “revised” Julian Calendar.
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
Patchunky, in post # 9 above, gave the following link…
orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/fasts_feasts/makarios_tillyrides_celebrate_easter.htm

And in that link it says -

My interpretation is the Orthodox are not going to give up their faulty calculation to a Catholic calculation which is also faulty.

P.S. I’m not sure if we are on the same page, because I’m not sure what is a “revised” Julian Calendar.
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With that said, how many days off are we talking about?
 
chrisb said:
With that said, how many days off are we talking about?
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Currently, the Julian Calendar is 13 days behind. That’s why some Orthodox Churches - who use the Julian Calendar for Christmas - celebrate Christmas 13 days later than us. (After the year 2100, it will be 14 days behind.)

But Easter is a bit more complicated because it takes into consideration the lunar calendar too. That’s why Catholic Easter and Orthodox Easter are inconsistently different.
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
Currently, the Julian Calendar is 13 days behind. That’s why some Orthodox Churches - who use the Julian Calendar for Christmas - celebrate Christmas 13 days later than us. (After the year 2100, it will be 14 days behind.)

But Easter is a bit more complicated because it takes into consideration the lunar calendar too. That’s why Catholic Easter and Orthodox Easter are inconsistently different.
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Yes but I’m interested in knowing how off is the Julian and the Gregorian Calendars are assuming the errors prior to 325 AD? 😊

What kind of range of error are we talking about?
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
Currently, the Julian Calendar is 13 days behind. That’s why some Orthodox Churches - who use the Julian Calendar for Christmas - celebrate Christmas 13 days later than us. (After the year 2100, it will be 14 days behind.)

But Easter is a bit more complicated because it takes into consideration the lunar calendar too. That’s why Catholic Easter and Orthodox Easter are inconsistently different.
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So eventually the Eastern Churches will be celebrating Christmas in July? Or Easter?
 
Ghoti said:
So eventually the Eastern Churches will be celebrating Christmas in July? Or Easter?
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3 days every hundred years - just give it time.

BTW if Orthodoxy really is bound by the Councils - how exactly does it argue for something - the date of Easter/Pascha - that has added a corollary (the date of Passover) to the councilor definition?

Just wondering.:rolleyes:
 
johnnykins said:
3 days every hundred years - just give it time.

BTW if Orthodoxy really is bound by the Councils - how exactly does it argue for something - the date of Easter/Pascha - that has added a corollary (the date of Passover) to the councilor definition?

Just wondering.:rolleyes:
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Yes I’m interested in this as well…
 
The miracle of the Holy Fire occurs in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem every year on Holy Saturday—Julian calendar. 😉
 
Mickey said:
The miracle of the Holy Fire occurs in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem every year on Holy Saturday—Julian calendar. 😉
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And by this you gather that the Julian calendar is then astronomically accurate? Or that this miracle of the Holy Fire occurs whenever the Greek Priests desire to celebrate Holy Saturday… Or that it is a product of their doing be its origin spiritual or otherwise?

I’m not trying to be disrespectful here just wondering where you are coming from. 🤷
 
chrisb said:
And by this you gather that the Julian calendar is then astronomically accurate?
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Listen my friend. The calendar issue and Paschal cycles can be debated infinitely.

The miracle of the Holy Fire occurs every year on Holy Saturday–Julian calendar. It is a great miracle and a beautiful gift for the Holy Orthodox Church.

Do you celebrate on the Gregorian calendar? God bless you.
 
Mickey said:
The miracle of the Holy Fire occurs in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem every year on Holy Saturday—Julian calendar. 😉
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You will understand if we are as unmoved in the course of the rhetoric we are lightly engaging in here, by the Holy Fire as most non-Catholics are of annual Eucharistic miracles or healings at Western Marian shrines a la Lourdes. I would rather we not even open that can of worms.

All things being equal, I am not terribly bothered by the fact different Christians of different traditions use different reckonings. Some Catholics use the Julian dating and calculations for Easter - including some tiny Latin communities in Eastern Orthodox majority nations, at the same time some Estonians and the Church of Finland use the western dating…

I plan to take advantage of the different dating this year to visit several Orthodox parishes for their Holy Friday vigils at the tomb like I used to do when I lived in Pittsburgh.
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
So far, Protestants are following the Catholics, but who is to say that that will continue if the Catholics change?
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As far as I understand - Russian Baptists use the same date for Easter as the Orthodox do in Russia… Now when it comes to why Evangelicals who are largely aliturgical to begin with still follow ANYONE’S dating methodology is something that has left me befuddled asking Why do Evangelicals celebrate Easter when they do? That belongs in a different forum I think though!
 
Mickey said:
Listen my friend. The calendar issue and Paschal cycles can be debated infinitely.
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I’m not trying to debate this only trying to understand it.
The miracle of the Holy Fire occurs every year on Holy Saturday–Julian calendar. It is a great miracle and a beautiful gift for the Holy Orthodox Church.
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Yeah, it’s sounds very cool. Could you explain it a bit more those of us who are not familiar with it?
Do you celebrate on the Gregorian calendar? God bless you.
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Yes, I’m Roman Catholic and as you know we celebrate per the Gregorian Calendar.

Peace and God Bless You as well!
 
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