Old Earth vs. Young Earth

[Gricken]

Personally, I could have forgone the public school experience because the social climate
was rather brutal in some cases.

It was for me as well. I couldn’t begin to describe the bullying throughout middle school and early highschool. Suffice to say that at one point I was terrified of answering the phone. But looking back. It shaped me into who I am today. I grew from it. Got self-esteem. Learned to work with others. And also grew much thicker skin.

 

[pocohombre]

i’m not really talking about a 10,000 year old earth, just a younger earth, by how much does not matter. in fact it would be better not to put an age on the earth in advance. i’m saying that as thinking creatures we can test an idea without prejudice. imagine the earth is young, visualize something which you would expect to see in that case, then go look for it.
the kt extinction is kinda like that. if you imagine one scenario in which half the plants died out suddenly or even immediately you could go look for specific types of evidence. and the result of that might be that an entire system which was thought to be slow was in fact fast.
but if prejudice prevents even thinking then we cannot learn anything.

you see, the thing is the lagomorph http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...pg/220px-Oryctolagus_cuniculus_Tasmania_2.jpg
was already developed 53 million years ago, or what we call 53 million years ago, but these are just the first bones discovered. the rabbit must have had millions of years before that to evolve.
and then of course the dinosaurs would have been alive with the rabbit if it wasn’t for an unexplainable extinction event which could kill all the dinosaurs all around the world but could not kill the rabbits.

How do we know something is 54 million years old? I heard cause the strata is that old, and we know the stata is that old cause the lagomorph is that old… Is half life dating still a theory ?

 

[pocohombre]

“Science” can’t be wrong. It isn’t a thinking entity. Scientists can however, be mistaken. But as knowledge of the universe expands, they correct their mistakes. Being wrong in the past is no reason to decide that scientists aren’t worth listening too.

Agree,but it is not all or nothing, either or. The staus quo, be it imbedded in a religious or political or economic or secular soup delivers the goods(science). It does not operate in a vacuum.

 

[Lochias]

It was for me as well. I couldn’t begin to describe the bullying throughout middle school and early highschool. Suffice to say that at one point I was terrified of answering the phone. But looking back. It shaped me into who I am today. I grew from it. Got self-esteem. Learned to work with others. And also grew much thicker skin.

I learned all of that, and I was homeschooled from grade 5 up through graduation.

If any one given homeschooler doesn’t do very well, it’s because their parent(s) wasn’t a very good teacher.

I came out of the 4th grade, from a Catholic school, mind, and didn’t know how to multiply and divide properly. That teacher was abysmal.

Knocking home-schooling just because you’ve met one or two folks who were taught poorly shows, at best, a woefully narrow view of the entire thing.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled thread…

 

[buffalo]

Date the fossils not the rocks.

 

[Gricken]

I learned all of that, and I was homeschooled from grade 5 up through graduation.

If any one given homeschooler doesn’t do very well, it’s because their parent(s) wasn’t a very good teacher.

I came out of the 4th grade, from a Catholic school, mind, and didn’t know how to multiply and divide properly. That teacher was abysmal.

Knocking home-schooling just because you’ve met one or two folks who were taught poorly shows, at best, a woefully narrow view of the entire thing.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled thread…

It’s woefully narrow to point out that I have two personal examples? I’d say it’s just as narrow-minded to assume that schools all lead to bullying (Note: I am not saying you are saying that)

As a final note: I am not against homeschooling as a whole (I think different things work for different people) But I do not approve of those who bar their children from public school on religious grounds.

 

[Paddy_Walker]

How do we know something is 54 million years old? I heard cause the strata is that old, and we know the stata is that old cause the lagomorph is that old… Is half life dating still a theory ?

half life dating is still a theory to me anyway. in some cases the margins of error are so great that in a rock strata sequence the errors almost meet up. technically, to me anyway, meaning that the rock could also be no age at all.
someone posting asked for evidence of rabbits and dinosaurs in the same rock strata. but i think i can do better and point out the coelacanth which was thought to have evolved into roughly its current form approximately 400 million years ago but is now regularly caught in the oceans today. so we are humans living with a creature which evolved into its present form 400 million years ago, life on earth on land only started about 500 million years ago. there were no dinosaurs around when the coelacanth first appeared, it lived long before the dinosaurs. so how do we know if the rabbit is old. i think we need to think.

 

[Lochias]

It’s woefully narrow to point out that I have two personal examples? I’d say it’s just as narrow-minded to assume that schools all lead to bullying (Note: I am not saying you are saying that)

Without further context and study of the entire issue? Yes.

As a final note: I am not against homeschooling as a whole (I think different things work for different people) But I do not approve of those who bar their children from public school on religious grounds.

Good thing that we’ve still got the freedom to do so (for now).

 

[Gricken]

Without further context and study of the entire issue? Yes.

Good thing that we’ve still got the freedom to do so (for now).

I don’t think one shouldn’t have the right, I just think that, personally it isn’t usually needed.

 

[Lochias]

I don’t think one shouldn’t have the right, I just think that, personally it isn’t usually needed.

Based on two examples?

 

[Gricken]

Based on two examples?

No. (though those don’t do much to dispel my thoughts) based on own research, personal experience, and debates with other people. If you don’t mind I’d rather not go into all the detail, this isn’t the point of the thread and I’m probably not equipped to do a lengthy more debates on this subject. If it’s the same to you, let’s just agree to disagree

 

[bsroufek]

As a final note: I am not against homeschooling as a whole (I think different things work for different people) But I do not approve of those who bar their children from public school on religious grounds.

In California, they recently passed a law that all public schools must teach about significant contributions to society by LGBT people.

They are beginning to indoctrinate immorality into the schools. So, I think you haven’t yet
been affected by such school indoctrination.

I know this isn’t on thread…

 

[Lochias]

No. (though those don’t do much to dispel my thoughts) based on own research, personal experience, and debates with other people. If you don’t mind I’d rather not go into all the detail, this isn’t the point of the thread and I’m probably not equipped to do a lengthy more debates on this subject. If it’s the same to you, let’s just agree to disagree

Fair enough.

 

[Gricken]

In California, they recently passed a law that all public schools must teach about significant contributions to society by LGBT people.

They are beginning to indoctrinate immorality into the schools. So, I think you haven’t yet
been affected by such school indoctrination.

I know this isn’t on thread…

Probably because I live in small town, right wing, protestant america

This is also probably why I don’t have any catholic friends

 

[bsroufek]

Back on thread, I think the Flood did much of the ground layering over artifacts and creatures
which today is calculated to have taken the Earth natural processes millions of years to do.

I’m still convinced of a young Earth.

 

[Monkey1976]

Date the fossils not the rocks.

The fossils are the rocks.

 

[Gricken]

Back on thread, I think the Flood did much of the ground layering over artifacts and creatures
which today is calculated to have taken the Earth natural processes millions of years to do.

I’m still convinced of a young Earth.

I’ve always understood the flood to be an example of hyperbole, or just an example of incomplete world knowledge. Certainly it was a very large flood, and to the people at the time it appeared to cover the whole (the amount of the world they knew of) But I’m not sure that it literally covered the entire world.

Also I think I was told before that if there was enough water on the planet to cover the whole world, the amount of resulting water vapor in the air would make people drown simply by breathing. Unfortunately I don’t have a source for that (I heard it a long time ago) so if somebody could verify or disprove that for me that would be great

 

[bsroufek]

Probably because I live in small town, right wing, protestant america

This is also probably why I don’t have any catholic friends

I’m from Indiana, and it seems the Midwest is much more moral than the rest of the country, certainly the coastal areas.

 

[Gricken]

I’m from Indiana, and it seems the Midwest is much more moral than the rest of the country, certainly the coastal areas.

Holding to more traditional values perhaps, but I wouldn’t say more “moral” per say

 

[bsroufek]

I’ve always understood the flood to be an example of hyperbole, or just an example of incomplete world knowledge. Certainly it was a very large flood, and to the people at the time it appeared to cover the whole (the amount of the world they knew of) But I’m not sure that it literally covered the entire world.

Also I think I was told before that if there was enough water on the planet to cover the whole world, the amount of resulting water vapor in the air would make people drown simply by breathing. Unfortunately I don’t have a source for that (I heard it a long time ago) so if somebody could verify or disprove that for me that would be great

There were sources of water besides the clouds, if you read it. It doesn’t sound scientific,
but it’s the only way I could see the whole Earth being flooded for a year. I believe the water
continued to rise for 150 days, until the mountains were covered. Also, every living being
died on the Earth, so it HAD to cover the whole Earth.