'Old Mass' parishes are wave of future

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‘Old Mass’ parishes are wave of future

A recent Enquirer story (“Old-style Mass revives Ind. Catholic church,” Aug. 20) on the re-opening of Indiana’s St. Cecilia’s Church, a parish devoted to preserving the Tridentine Rite of the “Old Mass,” suggests it’s only a matter of time before a similar community begins in Cincinnati.

Under the leadership of the Fraternity of St. Peter, the fastest-growing priestly order in the church, and one devoted to propagating the old rite, new parishes celebrating Mass in the ancient Latin language are spreading rapidly across the country.

Unfortunately, every time words like “Tridentine,” “Old Mass” and, especially, “Latin” are thrown around, the Catholic equivalent of an intramural dodge ball tournament ensues. One side defends its version of Vatican II, usually by invoking the council’s ephemeral “spirit,” while the other blames that spirit for creating all-too-frequent abuses of the Catholic liturgy.

So before red rubber balls go hurtling through the air, let’s heed the facts. First, while the so-called “New Mass” of Pope Paul VI introduced after Vatican II is the universal norm, the late Pope John Paul II issued a generous indult, or exception, in 1988 that encouraged the widespread celebration of the Tridentine Rite.

That rite, though codified in the 16th century, developed organically from the earliest days of the church. Gregorian Chant, for instance, a mainstay of the Tridentine Rite, was already well-established by the sixth century when Pope Gregory lent it his name.

Contrary to popular belief, Vatican II did not abolish Latin. Not only is it still the universal language of the church, but one of the key documents of Vatican II decreed that Gregorian Chant, sung in Latin, was to be given “pride of place” in the Mass. What’s more, Pope Paul VI, the drafter of the “New Mass,” stated that the faithful “should be able to sing together, in Latin, at least the parts of the Ordinary of the Mass, especially the Creed and the Our Father.”

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In many areas, they don’t have Tridentine parishes as such, but rather most Masses in the Novus Ordo Rite, with one or two Masses in the Tridentine Rite.
 
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kelso:
http://www.fssp.org/objet/Eucharistie02.jpg

Here’s to hoping the article is little more than Ohio-dreaming!

Check out what happened at World Youth Day this year, click here.

My personal prayer continually is for B16 to push for more Traditional liturgies.

Thanks for the glorious post.
From the evidence I’ve seen, the Latin Mass is definitely making a huge comeback, and I’m looking forward to it. In the end, it is what God wants that will win. Keep praying.
 
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Ruthmary:
From the evidence I’ve seen, the Latin Mass is definitely making a huge comeback, and I’m looking forward to it. In the end, it is what God wants that will win. Keep praying.
Gee, I wonder if it has anything to do with, sacrifice, ritual, holiness, reverance or worship?
 
Our New Bishop has already made the announcement last week that our Latin Mass Community will now have their own church.

KC/St Jo Latin Mass community willl soon have its own church
Bishop Robert W. Finn, who had been consulting on the plan with a core committee of community members, told about 200 members of the community at the end of Mass Aug. 14 that they will soon have both their own church - historic Old St. Patrick at Eighth and Cherry streets in downtown Kansas City - and their own priest, specially trained in the celebration of sacraments in Latin.
Father Denis Buchholz, a priest of the Institute of Christ the King, will be coming to the diocese in early October to take over sacramental duties for the community. The Institute of Christ the King has a seminary in Italy specifically to train priests in the celebration of Mass and sacraments in Latin.
 
buffalo said:

While I would NEVER deny anyone the TLM who wants it, I was kind of hoping that this article was about a B16 “Smackdown” of the NO.

Get it back to the way it was suppose to be done, kind of thing.
I guess I can only keep praying that every Diocese will have at least one parish like mine. Then everyone will be blessed!
 
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kelso:
http://www.diocese-kcsj.org/schools/Game2005/FrFinn.jpg This Bishop is THE MAN! 👍

Marie!

You’re so very lucky.

We’ve had an indult Mass, ONCE A WEEK, stuck in a cemetery (though a very nice one) for twenty years.

No CCD, no first communions, no nuptials, and only the occational requiem.

Ugh.

Have your Bishop call our Bishop.

Pax tecum,

+Craig Kelso
God finally blessed us in May. Bishop Finn rocks. In the first 48 hours he cleaned house big time. The Catholic News paper got cleaned up too. Boy were the Lib’s mad. :rotfl:

Unlike some, who love the TLM, I can praise God in Latin or vernacular just fine. I missed the Latin and it was a shock at the time of change, having been raised in the Latin. Now, I can have a Latin fix if I so desire in a beautiful old historic church. I could not stand going to the one Latin Mass we had. It wasn’t the church…it was the fruitcakes that went there. All they could do was whine and bluster. Very unsavory enviroment for Praising God. YUCK! Can’t stand that type of false Traditionalist. Most would not know God if they fell over Him, they are so busy rubber necking to see if everyone is folding their hands just so, and genuflecting perfectly. Hopefully now, they will just shut up and learn to really appreciate the beauty of our faith. And we old dogs can enjoy it too. 😃

Hopeefully, the wreck O Vation of it can be reversed soon. Bishop Finn wants it perfect for the Latin rite. Much has been wrecked in the years since Vatican II. But I trust he will get it back to perfect.
 
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Marie:
God finally blessed us in May. Bishop Finn rocks. In the first 48 hours he cleaned house big time. The Catholic News paper got cleaned up too. Boy were the Lib’s mad. :rotfl:
Hooray, Bishop Finn! It’s so nice to have a diocesan newspaper that I can read again without worrying about my blood pressure. 😃

God has truly blessed us. :amen:
 
First of all, I’m a little surprised that the forum moderators haven’t cracked down on the first post in this thread. Copying the text of a published article is a copyright infringement, unless permission is granted, in which case it must state so.

Now, stepping off my soap box . . .

For the sake of those who love the Latin Mass, I hope it spreads to every parish across the nation, and the whole world. I wouldn’t attend it, as I prefer Mass in my own language. I love a Church that can meet the needs of a diverse people! :yup:
 
I love both- but my kids and I being able to experience a LEGITIMATE latin mass (I attended a sspx once without realizing this- it a=was beautiful) would be awesome!
 
First of all, I’m a little surprised that the forum moderators haven’t cracked down on the first post in this thread. Copying the text of a published article is a copyright infringement, unless permission is granted, in which case it must state so.
I do not understand. The entire article was not posted, only a portion of it. Links to the complete piece were posted at the top and bottom of the post, so full credit was given. This is no different than what is done in any academic article.
 
On other Internet pages I have seen the first paragraph or two of a news article posted with a link to the remainder. For example NASAWatch often does this. I believe that a portion of an article can be copied or posted as in a review of a book or notice of news, et cetera without obtaining any permission. How large a portion can be copied and distributed, is probably the legal question. :hmmm:

What is really bad is if the entire article is copied and in addition no attribution is given to the source. :tsktsk: Then there is both plagiarism and copyritght infringement. :banghead:

Kathie :bowdown:
 
How large a portion can be copied and distributed, is probably the legal question.
Passages much longer than the one posted here are routinely quoted and excerpted in monographs, scholarly articles, journal pieces, theses and dissertations. No problem there, so long as full credit is given. In universities, the norm is generally up to two pages cumulatively, so long as the proper credit is given. After that, it is proper to seek permission. The piece above was but a few paragraphs of a much longer news article.
 
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