Old Testament Myths

[abucs]

> … I was told that they wished they could part me from my “fundamentalism” and that the Catholic Church really leans left on all these things. Now I’m not exactly sure what that means but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a compliment …

The Left have been taken over by Progressives whose religion is political correctness which began after the death of the religion of Marxism in the 1990’s. As such the leaders of the Left are Godless. This is what is meant by the church leaning Left. All Christian principles are denied either explicitly (Old Testament) or implicitly (New Testament) and Christian ethics is replaced by the new manufacture morality.

 

[grannymh]

Thank you.

At the moment, I am looking for a new lap top…
Thus, I cannot, at the moment, deal with youtube.

I definitely understand that serious brain power is needed for a deep study of
Catholic doctrines which flow from the first three fascinating chapters of
Genesis. Back in high school, it took half a semester to follow the protocol of
the early major Ecumenical Catholic Church Councils. Our teacher loved the
early battles which is why I am familiar with the heresy of Arianism.

My bet is that our grade school teacher would consider the Psychological
Significance of the Biblical stories as fluffy frosting on the cake. She
preferred the guts of Original Sin. However, I do not remember hearing the
word Arianism until high school. Still, our grade school teacher went from
Original Sin to the Incarnation in one leap over any ideas that a fully-Divine
Person of the Most Holy Trinity was not completely necessary.

Before I tackle the Psychological Significance of the Biblical stories told in
the first three sacred chapters of Scripture, I would need to know which
Catholic doctrine is the base for a particular described story. Actually, I am
very interested in which Catholic doctrines are preferred as part of a serious
study of the events appearing in the first three historical chapters of Genesis.

You are absolutely correct that when it comes to Catholic doctrines which can be
traced to very early Scripture chapters, there are not a lot of serious
students. As for Psychological Significance of Divine Revelation, in my humble
opinion, that would take a lot of brain power. Because the Significance of
Divine Revelation found in the first three basic chapters of Genesis has already
been declared, I would be interested in what the Psychological Significance
adds.

My guess is that the importance of Psychological Significance may have the
answer as to why people do not take the time to understand the depth of the
first three chapters of Genesis. Genesis 1: 27 and Genesis 2: 15-17 requires a
lot of serious brain power time. For example, a serious student could spot a
road to the Catholic Church.

 

[ericc]

So why couldn’t Jesus do the same thing with the story of the flood? Use a story all his listeners were familiar with to illustrate a truth? In this instance, he uses the story of the flood to showcase how sudden and unexpected the end of time will be.

The question is not about the purpose of the Noah story. The question is whether the Noah story is myth or not. It is not myth because Luke includes Noah in Jesus ancestry. Jesus including Peter and Paul and a few OT prophets all mentioned Noah. None of them are known for myth gossiping. If one wants to mythologize Adam and Eve , or Abraham or Enoch , you can used that same logic I suppose. Then how do you actually distinguish one from the other since one can always conjure a possible scenario to make a point?

Quoting 6 days creation is irrelevant in ascertaining the Noah’s story. Typically that is labelled as a fallacious reasoning tactic.

If one wants to establish something is a myth, then evidence must be given why it is a myth, how it arose and so on. A blanket brushoff has no value add since no additional information is provided. Whether someone can or can not do something does not establish fact, merely a possibility.

 

[Benadam]

Not a single one of you has been willing to answer a single question. What, exactly, was the sin of disobedience in its physical active reality?

If you will. This is my current thinking on the matter.

Before the fall we enjoyed a more intimate relationship with all creation including angels. The ability to have an unambiguous internal conversation with an angel was a preternatural gift.

When Eve spoke to the snake, this was an internal dialogue with Satan.

It began ;“Did God say, ‘You shall not eat from any tree in the garden’?

By entering into dialogue with Satan she is "touching the tree’ God told her not to do that.

Afterwards she has her own internal thoughts about what happened. That is Eve’s intellectual ascent.
Eve’s Temptation.

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise,

She gives in to her new desire for new good food,new delights to the eye, and new found source of wisdom. So…

she took of its fruit and ate;

She chose to believe Satan.

The false reality Satan spoke about is the apple. Believing in that reality is biting it.

 

[grannymh]

Stealth Arianism can be a question.
For example.

Is the Catholic Church a human institution headed by a Pope?

What is the main function of the Catholic Church regarding the poor in society?

Should peace of mind be the means of bringing people into the Catholic Church?

 

[Vico]

Stealth Arianism can be a question.
For example.

Is the Catholic Church a human institution headed by a Pope?

What is the main function of the Catholic Church regarding the poor in society?

Should peace of mind be the means of bringing people into the Catholic Church?

• Jesus declared the necessity of the Church, because Baptism is the door to it. “The man who believes and accepts Baptism will be saved; the man who refuses to believe in it will be condemned” (Mark 16:16). The Church is the people of God. “This one Church of Christ, which we confess in the Creed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic […]. This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him”.[Lumen gentium, 8.2]
• “… within the community of believers there can never be room for a poverty that denies anyone what is needed for a dignified life.” – Pope Benedict XVI
• Witness and sharing are they ways of evangelisation.

 

[grannymh]

May I respectfully add that practically speaking, a Christian church usually has
some form of organization that has a leader. Sometimes there is one leader like
a pope or there is a group of bishops or individual leaders of a local
congregation. Some Christian organizations consider everyone can interpret
Scripture based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

What differentiates the Catholic Church from all others is that the Catholic
Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. My favorite Scripture citation is 1
Corinthians, chapter 12. One Body, Many Parts. It is also important to add:
“Love is patient, love is kind.” 1 Corinthians, chapter 13. With Jesus Christ as
the Head of Mystical Body, the Catholic Church, there is the promised Advocate,
the Holy Spirit. Gospel of John, chapter 14.

Currently, we often hear Notable Progressive Christians teaching that it is time
to rebuild Christianity, including the Catholic Church. This means that humans
can tamper with the doctrines. Humans simply do not have the power to adapt the
Mystical Body of Christ to their personal wishes.

One can say that humans form the earthly organization of the Catholic Church.
But, what is extremely important to understand is that this Catholic
organization is the Mystical Body of the Divine Jesus Christ. A human is a
member of the Catholic Church which has Jesus as the head. The Pope is a human
leader within the Mystical Body of Christ.
We, as Catholics, are members of the Mystical Body of Christ.

 

[Vico]

May I respectfully add that practically speaking, a Christian church usually has
some form of organization that has a leader. Sometimes there is one leader like
a pope or there is a group of bishops or individual leaders of a local
congregation. Some Christian organizations consider everyone can interpret
Scripture based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

What differentiates the Catholic Church from all others is that the Catholic
Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. My favorite Scripture citation is 1
Corinthians, chapter 12. One Body, Many Parts. It is also important to add:
“Love is patient, love is kind.” 1 Corinthians, chapter 13. With Jesus Christ as
the Head of Mystical Body, the Catholic Church, there is the promised Advocate,
the Holy Spirit. Gospel of John, chapter 14.

Currently, we often hear Notable Progressive Christians teaching that it is time
to rebuild Christianity, including the Catholic Church. This means that humans
can tamper with the doctrines. Humans simply do not have the power to adapt the
Mystical Body of Christ to their personal wishes.

One can say that humans form the earthly organization of the Catholic Church.
But, what is extremely important to understand is that this Catholic
organization is the Mystical Body of the Divine Jesus Christ. A human is a
member of the Catholic Church which has Jesus as the head. The Pope is a human
leader within the Mystical Body of Christ.
We, as Catholics, are members of the Mystical Body of Christ.

Yes.

Christ “established here on earth” only one Church and instituted it as a “visible and spiritual community”[5], that from its beginning and throughout the centuries has always existed and will always exist, and in which alone are found all the elements that Christ himself instituted.[6] “This one Church of Christ, which we confess in the Creed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic […]. This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him”.[7]

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...ith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html