Old Testament people not saints?

[Irish_Melkite]

agname:

I was just informed by a priest…that it’s “an honorary title bestowed upon them by Eastern Christians. They have not been through the official canonization process…and will not be canonized by Rome.” Take it for what it’s worth.

Agname,

Your post is arrogant; the priest’s statement is erroneous.

There are many hundreds of saints honored in the hagiography of the Roman Church who never were subjected to the “official canonization process”. These are typically referred to as originating in public veneration “pre-Congregation”, having been so proclaimed since before the formation of the Sacred Congregation for the Causes of the Saints and accepted by Holy Mother Church on that basis.

I would note that all of the Apostles and most other early Saints were so declared and their sainthood never proclaimed by any official process.

See, as examples, the listings at Catholic Forums for:

Saint Patrick

Saint Peter the Apostle

Saint Stephen the ProtoMartyr

Saint Nicholas of Myra

Saint Michael the Archangel

Saint Balthasar the Magus

Saint Melchior the Magus

Saint Cosmas

The Eastern Catholic Churches do not bestow “honorary titles” nor do the Melkites, the Maronites, or any other Eastern Catholics “borrow” Saints from our Orthodox brothers and sisters.

Your statement that you cannot find anything in any of your “Roman Catholic saint material” says it all. You are looking in Roman Catholic materials for Eastern Catholic saints.

As to St. Abraham, see:

Saint Abraham

Many years,

Neil

 

[Psalm45_9]

It seems that my diocese has been influenced by the Eastern rites, because there is a Latin Rite church in my city called St. Daniel’s Church. St. Daniel is the old Testament prophet and he is regarded as a Saint and Martyr.

 

[James0235]

Psalm45:9:

It seems that my diocese has been influenced by the Eastern rites, because there is a Latin Rite church in my city called St. Daniel’s Church. St. Daniel is the old Testament prophet and he is regarded as a Saint and Martyr.

Possible. But could it be named for another St Daniel?

James

 

[AmandaPS]

From the CCC:

61 The patriarchs, prophets, and certain other Old Testament figures have been and always will be honored as saints in all the Church’s liturgical traditions.

Does that help any?

 

[James0235]

AmandaPS:

From the CCC:

61 The patriarchs, prophets, and certain other Old Testament figures have been and always will be honored as saints in all the Church’s liturgical traditions.

Does that help any?

Excellent quote! Also see message #3 in this thread.

James

 

[Funky_Cedars]

it would seem important to understand the eastern understanding of the term ‘saint’. in Paul’s letters he refers to the members of the churches in Corinth, Ephesus and Philippi as ‘holy ones’ or saints. as a result, we also consider all those called to the faith to be called to sainthood as well. God wants all of us to be sanctified, to be saints.
we don’t limit the term saint to a dead person whose life has been examined and found certain to have lead to an eternal reward, it applies to all of us who are trying to live out our faith in God’s love and mercy.
that said, one can hardly read the 11th chapter of Paul’s letter to the Hebrews without coming away the appreciation that the faith evidenced by the Old Testament Patricarchs was the faith that saves. these folks must be ‘official’ saints because God Himself tells us He is ‘not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.’ (clf Heb 11:16) the city God is preparring for His children is the new Jerusalem, Heaven.
thanks for listening, love and peace, terry

 

[Psalm45_9]

James0235:

Possible. But could it be named for another St Daniel?

James

No, it is the old testament Daniel, this is the church’s webpage: stdaniel.com scroll down and on the left side of the middle of the page it says that the church is named after St. Daniel the prophet who wrote the Book of Daniel.

 

[Tanais]

agname:

Understand, saints, are glorified members of Christ’s Mystical Body, that is, the Church, and as such are to be honoured by us and in return are able to help us by their powerful intercession. A saint is a servant of Christ. A saint knows the good news of salvation.

I beg to differ. Is the Church bound by time? Do we not say that those in purgatory and heaven are part of the Church? Furthermore, the Old Testament is about looking forward to Christ, they served him in paving the way for him. They also served him since he is the Word, although they may not have conceived what this fully meant. We have the benefit of looking back to Christ, they had to look forward to him. They served in anticipation.

 

[Psalm45_9]

Psalm45:9:

No, it is the old testament Daniel, this is the church’s webpage: stdaniel.com scroll down and on the left side of the middle of the page it says that the church is named after St. Daniel the prophet who is the hero in the Book of Daniel.