Old Testament vs New Testament Parallels

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I wanted to start this thread so people can post examples of the Old testament prophesies revealed in th New Testament. Also, parralells between the two. Things like the Ark of the Covenant and how Mary is the new Eve, etc. Thanks for your co-operation. I’m trying to put this all on a document…
 
The Vine of Isaiah 5, which represents the failures of Israel to ‘bear fruit’.

Compare to the True Vine that is Christ, in whom all bear fruit, if they adhere to him; John 15: 1-8.

The breath (Heb: ‘Ruach’, Gk: ‘Pneuma’, Latin: ‘Spiritus’) of God in Genesis (Gn 1:1-3) having creative power, the further example of this breath giving life in the valley of dry bones in Ezekiel 37,

In the New Testament Christ ‘Breathed’ this same lifegiving spirit on the apostles at the end of John’s Gospel, 20:22.
 
One more whilst I’m thinking,

The Bronze serpent of Numbers 21:9-10, which when lifted up and looked upon by the Israelites, brought healing.

Christ when ‘lifted up’ (Jn 3:14-15) draws all to him and brings ultimate healing. (Jn 12:32)
 
Consider the framing of the Bible by the concept of marriage. The witness of Scripture begins in Genesis with the earthly marriage of Adam to Eve as man and woman. Marriage is brought to fulfillment in the Book of Revelation in the divine marriage of the Lamb to His Church and the fecund result of that divine wedding–eternal life for all those who follow Him.

God bless.
 
Superstar905 said:
I wanted to start this thread so people can post examples of the Old testament prophesies revealed in th New Testament. Also, parralells between the two. Things like the Ark of the Covenant and how Mary is the new Eve, etc. Thanks for your co-operation. I’m trying to put this all on a document…
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That will be a very very long document! 😛

And one that many before have compiled. Here’s an example.
 
Lets look at Genesis chapter 22, where Abraham is offering Isaac up for sacrifice on Mt. Moriah.
  1. Location: Moriah is the future location of Jerusalem; Jesus, too, is sacrificed on a mountain in Jerusalem
  2. In Genesis 22:2, Isaac is referred to as Abraham’s “only begotten son”; In John 3:16 and elsewhere, Jesus is referred to as the only begotten son.
  3. Isaac rides to the site on an donkey; Jesus rides into Jerusalem on a donkey.
  4. Isaac carries the wood up the mountain for a sacrifice; Jesus carries His cross up the mountain.
  5. Abraham was very old (about 120) and Isaac was a teenager, and the stronger of the two. This means Isaac could have gotten away if he wanted to. Isaac freely accepted this sacrifice.
  6. The original Hebrew has no punctuation. So in the account there is another double-entendre that is missed in the English. When Isaac asked where the lamb for the burn offering is, Abraham replies “God will provide himself the lamb for the sacrifice” It sould also be rendered thus: “God will provide himself, the lamb, for the sacrifice”
  7. In vv. 15-18 a peomise, wherein “all the nations of the world will bless themselves” This gets fulfilled at Pentecost. In Acts, the nations that are listed are the conemporary names for the same nations listed in Genesis 10.
 
The Exodus points to the Eucharist. In the first plague, Moses turns water to blood. The First miracle of Jesus is to turn water to wine–and then at the last supper narratives wine into blood. The blood of the Passover lamb is applied to the lentils and posts with hyssop, and Jesus is given bitter wine from a hyssop branch. The passover lamb must be consumed, and we must eat the flesh of the Lamb. In the wilderness, Israel feeds on bread from heaven, and we feed on the Bread come down from heaven.

Joseph is a type of Christ in several ways:
  1. Joseph was beloved by his father, and is given a garment; Jesus is the Beloved Son, clothed in the Holy Spirit.
  2. Joseph saves his people by giving them finest wheat; Jesus gives is the Bread from Heaven
  3. Joseph sojourned in Egypt; so did Jesus
  4. Joseph and Jesus were both betrayed by someone named Judah (Judas) for silver.
  5. Joseph ministered to people in prison; Jesus descended to prison (sheol)
  6. After coming from Prison, Joseph was seated at the right hand of Pharaoh; Jesus, after he descended, ascended to Heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father.
 
All these ‘prophesies’ would be terribly impressive if one assumes, as Christians do, that the ‘New Testament’ is some kind of accurate account.

If one doesn’t assume that, if one thinks, for example, that the ‘New Testament’ is a pious fiction, all these ‘prophesies’ are fulfilled merely in the way the story is written. In other words, ‘only begotten’ (taking an example from an earlier post) merely because it appears in the earlier text.

In other words, it’s rather like saying that CS Lewis’ “The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe” has parallels to the New Testament. That would be terribly impressive if it were an accurate history of a lion, a witch and a wardrobe, rather than a book written to have such parallels.
 
All these ‘prophesies’ would be terribly impressive if one assumes, as Christians do, that the ‘New Testament’ is some kind of accurate account.

If one doesn’t assume that, if one thinks, for example, that the ‘New Testament’ is a pious fiction, all these ‘prophesies’ are fulfilled merely in the way the story is written. In other words, ‘only begotten’ (taking an example from an earlier post) appears in the NT text merely because it appears in the earlier text.

To put it another way, it’s rather like saying that CS Lewis’ “The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe” has parallels to the New Testament. That would be terribly impressive if it were an accurate history of a lion, a witch and a wardrobe, rather than a book written to have such parallels.
 
Kaninchen said:
All these ‘prophesies’ would be terribly impressive if one assumes, as Christians do, that the ‘New Testament’ is some kind of accurate account.

If one doesn’t assume that, if one thinks, for example, that the ‘New Testament’ is a pious fiction, all these ‘prophesies’ are fulfilled merely in the way the story is written. In other words, ‘only begotten’ (taking an example from an earlier post) merely because it appears in the earlier text.

In other words, it’s rather like saying that CS Lewis’ “The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe” has parallels to the New Testament. That would be terribly impressive if it were an accurate history of a lion, a witch and a wardrobe, rather than a book written to have such parallels.
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It is illogical to assume that the Gospels are false. Why would the apostles have willingly allowed themselves to be martyred for a lie. Something else to consider: Before the advent of Jesus, there were other “messiahs” But their followings died out fairly quickly…2000 years? Kin od a long time for an elaborate hoax, don’t you think? Your argument would have merit if there were just a few coincidences…but not the numbers that there are.
 
CWBetts said:
It is illogical to assume that the Gospels are false. Why would the apostles have willingly allowed themselves to be martyred for a lie. Something else to consider: Before the advent of Jesus, there were other “messiahs” But their followings died out fairly quickly…2000 years? Kin od a long time for an elaborate hoax, don’t you think? Your argument would have merit if there were just a few coincidences…but not the numbers that there are.
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Actually, it’s not at all illogical. I didn’t say there was no Jesus, I didn’t say that he wasn’t an influential figure - some people follow influential figures. Neither did I say it was a ‘hoax’, I said it was a ‘pious fiction’.

Saying ‘it must be true because millions believe it for a long time’, would also mean that Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam must also be true.

Of course it’s central to your beliefs, I understand that, I recognize that. As a Jew, I don’t really care about what you believe about Jesus, we don’t believe that you’re doomed in some way for believing as you do. I was merely pointing out that there’s another (perfectly logical) explanation for prophesies being ‘fulfilled’.
 
Kaninchen said:
Actually, it’s not at all illogical. I didn’t say there was no Jesus, I didn’t say that he wasn’t an influential figure - some people follow influential figures. Neither did I say it was a ‘hoax’, I said it was a ‘pious fiction’.

Saying ‘it must be true because millions believe it for a long time’, would also mean that Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam must also be true.

Of course it’s central to your beliefs, I understand that, I recognize that. As a Jew, I don’t really care about what you believe about Jesus, we don’t believe that you’re doomed in some way for believing as you do. I was merely pointing out that there’s another (perfectly logical) explanation for prophesies being ‘fulfilled’.
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Not the numbers. Like I said this isn’t just one or two coincidences. There are literally HUNDREDS of passages from the Law and the Prophets fulfilled by Jesus.
 
CWBetts said:
Not the numbers. Like I said this isn’t just one or two coincidences. There are literally HUNDREDS of passages from the Law and the Prophets fulfilled by Jesus.
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Which doesn’t even challenge what I was saying.
 
Kaninchen said:
Which doesn’t even challenge what I was saying.
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Sure it does. Are you telling me that every single Messianic Prophesy fulfilled By Jesus was just a contrivance? And further prophesies in the New Testament have also come to pass, like the destruction of the Temple. (By the way, how are those sin offerings required under the Mosaic covenant coming along?) Why was the Temple destroyed? To bring an end to the animal sacrifices because of the Sacrifice of the Lamb of God. There are too many details taken care of that a fabrication would have overlooked.
 
CWBetts said:
Sure it does. Are you telling me that every single Messianic Prophesy fulfilled By Jesus was just a contrivance? And further prophesies in the New Testament have also come to pass, like the destruction of the Temple. (By the way, how are those sin offerings required under the Mosaic covenant coming along?) Why was the Temple destroyed? To bring an end to the animal sacrifices because of the Sacrifice of the Lamb of God. There are too many details taken care of that a fabrication would have overlooked.
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Jesus ‘fulfilled’ all the prophesies that could be fulfilled by text manipulation.

I have to go to work now, so any further conversation will have to wait - although it’s rather pointless. Of course, you believe what you believe, the rest of us believe what we believe and neither of us is going to convince the other even slightly.
 
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