Omniscience

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Man has freewill and therefore a separate experience from God.

Experience is knowledge.

Since God cannot experience our being due to our free will then he is not Omniscient because he lacks our experience.
 
Man has freewill and therefore a separate experience from God.

Experience is knowledge.

Since God cannot experience our being due to our free will then he is not Omniscient because he lacks our experience.
The idea is that G-d knows what we will choose, as well as the selective process involved, but He allows us to make our own choices. The experience of free will is not separated from G-d since it is He who gave us that ability.
 
Man has freewill and therefore a separate experience from God.

Experience is knowledge.

Since God cannot experience our being due to our free will then he is not Omniscient because he lacks our experience.
God has free will as well, but He doesn’t have concupiscence like we do. Still, He knows what it feels like to be tempted as when Jesus came down to Earth, He was tempted by Satan.
 
The OP’s first post has to do with the time element…
and also about reading our minds.
Experience is knowledge.
Since God cannot experience our being due to our free will then he is not Omniscient because he lacks our experience.
  1. God is outside time. There is no “future” or “past” for him. The present, past, and future are all one thing to him. If this were not true he wouldn’t be God, because he is unchanging, but to learn something means to change.
    Therefore,…😃
  2. He already knows everything that will happen in the “future” as seen through our eyes,
    but he sees it through the all-compassing present of his eyes.
  3. Aquinas points out that we could not think unless God moved our thoughts for us.
    This doesn’t mean he chooses our thoughts for us, but he makes it possible for us to choose our thoughts and keep them going. .
    It’s like gravity and a river. Gravity moves the river along downstream, but the river chooses its course.
    Therefore…😃
  4. God knows what we’re thinking.
 
The idea is that G-d knows what we will choose, as well as the selective process involved, but He allows us to make our own choices. The experience of free will is not separated from G-d since it is He who gave us that ability.
The individual experience is separate from God. It is our own being. Our perceptions gathered from our own senses is knowledge. God cannot experience our being and therefore lacks the necessary knowledge of our perceptions.

If God experiences me then I am God. However, you would deny that instantly. The idea of free will may come from God, however, the individual experience of free will is separate from God or else I am God and you are God and everyone is God.

God can know what we choose but he cannot experience our perceptions of being. He cannot be the life that is inside of me or else I’m God. He cannot experience the life that is inside of me. I am an individual being, with my own unique likeness. I look on the outside the form of a human, however, on the inside I have the experience of a human soul. God cannot experience my human soul. My human soul is knowledge. God is not Omniscient because he cannot experience me. I am who is.
 
God has free will as well, but He doesn’t have concupiscence like we do. Still, He knows what it feels like to be tempted as when Jesus came down to Earth, He was tempted by Satan.
But God cannot be me and therefore cannot exist as me and therefore cannot have knowledge of my being. He can know what is within my words. He can know what is within my thoughts. He can know what is in my actions. He can even know what is within my heart. However, he cannot be me and therefore lacks knowledge. I’m just words or thoughts or actions or even a heart. I’m a living being. He can only know of my body of what I reveal. I’m the act of life within myself and that life is my experience and mine alone. God cannot experience life inside of me or I’m God. His lack of the ability to experience life inside of me is his lack of omniscience.
 
The OP’s first post has to do with the time element…
and also about reading our minds.
  1. God is outside time. There is no “future” or “past” for him. The present, past, and future are all one thing to him. If this were not true he wouldn’t be God, because he is unchanging, but to learn something means to change.
    Therefore,…😃
  2. He already knows everything that will happen in the “future” as seen through our eyes,
    but he sees it through the all-compassing present of his eyes.
  3. Aquinas points out that we could not think unless God moved our thoughts for us.
    This doesn’t mean he chooses our thoughts for us, but he makes it possible for us to choose our thoughts and keep them going. .
    It’s like gravity and a river. Gravity moves the river along downstream, but the river chooses its course.
    Therefore…😃
  4. God knows what we’re thinking.
Just because some Supernatural being knows what you’re thinking does not make him Omniscient.
 
The individual experience is separate from God. It is our own being. Our perceptions gathered from our own senses is knowledge. God cannot experience our being and therefore lacks the necessary knowledge of our perceptions.

If God experiences me then I am God. However, you would deny that instantly. The idea of free will may come from God, however, the individual experience of free will is separate from God or else I am God and you are God and everyone is God.

God can know what we choose but he cannot experience our perceptions of being. He cannot be the life that is inside of me or else I’m God. He cannot experience the life that is inside of me. I am an individual being, with my own unique likeness. I look on the outside the form of a human, however, on the inside I have the experience of a human soul. God cannot experience my human soul. My human soul is knowledge. God is not Omniscient because he cannot experience me. I am who is.
I disagree and also would think that especially a Christian, who believes that G-d “became” fully human as well as being a distinct, albeit not separate, divine Person from the Father, would also believe that G-d CAN experience human pain and suffering, as well as be tempted by sin without committing sin. But even according to Judaism, G-d has the ability to suffer with, in the sense of true empathy, His creation, and thus He can demonstrate mercy for our suffering.
 
I disagree and also would think that especially a Christian, who believes that G-d “became” fully human as well as being a distinct, albeit not separate, divine Person from the Father, would also believe that G-d CAN experience human pain and suffering, as well as be tempted by sin without committing sin. But even according to Judaism, G-d has the ability to suffer with, in the sense of true empathy, His creation, and thus He can demonstrate mercy for our suffering.
Yea but can he be me? If he lacks knowledge in one thing then he lacks knowledge in All. Can God and me be the same being? Should I start refering to myself as God in other words?
 
Yea but can he be me? If he lacks knowledge in one thing then he lacks knowledge in All. Can God and me be the same being? Should I start refering to myself as God in other words?
No, G-d cannot BE you, but He can read your thoughts and know your heart. Being you is not required for omniscience. G-d is distinct from His creation according to both our religions.
 
an ominiscient cannot possibly know the thrill of uncertainty.

so there is no such thing as ‘omniscience’. its a bankrupt idea.
 
No, G-d cannot BE you, but He can read your thoughts and know your heart. Being you is not required for omniscience. G-d is distinct from His creation according to both our religions.
Being me is a scrap of knowledge because everything is within knowledge. So why not I? My entire being is understanding. The word understanding should be your proof that I am knowledge. If God lacks me then he lacks Omniscience.

What religion are you that you say “both our religions”?
 
an ominiscient cannot possibly know the thrill of uncertainty.

so there is no such thing as ‘omniscience’. its a bankrupt idea.
True. An Omniscient being must be able to experience the full spectrum. An omniscient being must be able to experience everything all at once, nothing at all, one thing at a time; and every permutation in between.
 
I believe G-d can still experience and empathize with our thrill of uncertainty, as well as our fears.
So you are saying that God can become divided within himself? Certainly, uncertainty is a divisive feeling.
 
Being me is a scrap of knowledge because everything is within knowledge. So why not I? My entire being is understanding. The word understanding should be your proof that I am knowledge. If God lacks me then he lacks Omniscience.

What religion are you that you say “both our religions”?
I’m Jewish. If G-d were you, that would mean He is fallible and prone to committing sin, which in turn means He is limited and imperfect. Your entire being is NOT understanding or knowledge; it consists also of emotions, drives, and behaviors. You are created in G-d’s image, in that you have the free will and capacity to choose the right course according to the conscience and goodness G-d has given you. But this doesn’t equate to being G-d.
 
Man has freewill and therefore a separate experience from God.

Experience is knowledge.

Since God cannot experience our being due to our free will then he is not Omniscient because he lacks our experience.
If God is the creator of us from nothing, then he must also be the sustainer of us, that is, he keeps us from falling back into nothingness, else why would we still be here?

We are made of many parts. If he sustains us in existence, then he must sustain all parts that there is in us, including hair, of which Jesus said God knows even how many hairs we have. How many of us know that, including the ones we lost?

Therefore he knows everything, including freedom which is a power and a part of us he sustains in us as well. And if he did not, we would not have it.

If he sustains everything about us and in us, then he must know us completely, all parts, including freedom.

Just a thought.
 
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In luke 2;52 it says,“And Jesus advanced in wisdom and age and grace beore God and men.”

In the commentary it says, “His human mind, however, could advance in experimental knowledge, which is only acquired throught the medium of mental faculties and bodily senses.”

But this means because he became man and and as a man senses to feel, see, smell and so on.
But God certainly knows these senses and nothing is new to him.

Just a thought.
 
Man has freewill and therefore a separate experience from God.

Experience is knowledge.

Since God cannot experience our being due to our free will then he is not Omniscient because he lacks our experience.
God knows absolutely everything about you. " In him we live and move and have our being." He created you, he is in you, he is the first cause of your every act and he knows every thought, desire, feeling you ever had or will have or might have. And he does have a body in a way, if you want to quibble. Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity has a real human body and soul subsumbed His Divinity. And since He is eternally united to the Trinity through the Godhead, God - the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit all are most interiorly united with your very existence. So, God does indeed " experience " your pain, sufferings, feelings, etc. He experienced and does experience them through the body and soul of the Son. Hay, how about that? 👍
 
Sacred_Heart ignores the good points made by several posters,
and then makes confused comments…
God cannot experience our being and therefore lacks the necessary knowledge of our perceptions.
What does the human soul/mind feel? Nothing. It receives sensory impressions.
It knows these sensory impressions as feelings. God also knows these impressions and experiences them.
If God experiences me then I am God.
This false deduction comes from the previous statement which is false.
God experiences our experiences by his omniscience, but this does not require him to be us.
We can know that which is not us.
 
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