On 98% of Catholic women using contraception

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littlebum2002 said:
“On 98% of Catholic women using contraception
This stat is fatally flawed.”

Of course it is. Because that is not the stat.** The poll says that 98% of Catholic women have use birth control at one time.** You re-worded it to say that 98% of Catholic women are on birth control right now, then went on to say that 98% of Catholic women have been on birth control at some point.

In other words, you agreed completely with what the poll said. You just didn’t agree with the incorrect interpretation you gave the poll.
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No, the poll does not say that. It says that 98% of the sexually active women aged 15-44 who identified themselves as Catholics, don’t want to get pregnant and weren’t disqualified by the vague standards applied to the group sampled do not use natural family planning. It doesn’t even say that those 98% use artificial birth control, because 11% of them said they use nothing at all, and 4% claimed “other,” whatever that means. It’s a completely invalid stat taken from an invalid study and is being completely misrepresented by the liberals, the media and the Obama administration.
 
I am very sorry. I assumed YOU were interpreting the data to say “98% of Catholic women use contraception”, not that you were quoting a new source that was doing so. I have not personally heard anyone do this, but I agree that anyone who does is, in fact, misinterpreting the data. Sorry for the misunderstanding, and let the record show I support your stance completely.
 
iloveangels said:
This is absolutely true. I am trained in statistics and understand polling methodologies. I have designed focus groups for private industry. Many of these polls are very flawed.

You remember the polls in November at election time. They can be quite wrong, as I’m sure you have seen. Relying on just one poll is very dangerous, and can well tell you nothing at all. It’s called “lying with statistics.” It takes very sophisticated technologies to get even a fair idea of what people are thinking. And if there are many people who won’t participate in a poll when asked, even the finest-designed poll is completely worthless.

Have you ever seen this picture before?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Deweytruman12.jpg

[That’s not President Dewey. “President” Dewey never existed because he did not win the election. That’s President Truman on the morning after the Presidential election in 1948. The newspaper company, the Chicago Tribune, had projected Dewey as the winner based on their polls, so they printed up the newspaper and sent it to the stores and had it delivered around the city. OOOOOPS. :D:D:D Needless to say, they got more careful and knowledgeable about polling after that. ]

Go ahead and click. The link still works. By a funny coincidence “: D” without the space is in the URL title.
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Originally posted by: iloveangels;8955596
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It’s called “lying with statistics.”
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It’s called manipulating the statistics so that others who view them will go with the majority - and that’s not how things are done in the church.
 
The survey was not done by the Guttmacher Institute. It was done by the National Survey of Family Growth. The Guttmacher Institute analyzed the data obtained by the NSFG, focusing on women who identify as Catholic, Mainline Protestant and Evangelical Protestant.

Currently, 68% of Catholic women** at risk for an unintended pregnancy** use highly effective methods of contraception. 2% use NFP. 11% use no method. The rest use condoms or other methods. This is comparable to all women; see figure 3 on page 6.

The media might be misrepresenting the data but the survey by the NSFG and the analysis by the Guttmacher Institute is what it is.

I did a poll of CAF members who were married.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=572226

Of the 135 people who voted, ~46% have never contracepted. 24% currently don’t but have in the past.
 
samiam1611 said:
The survey was not done by the Guttmacher Institute. It was done by the National Survey of Family Growth. The Guttmacher Institute analyzed the data obtained by the NSFG, focusing on women who identify as Catholic, Mainline Protestant and Evangelical Protestant.

Currently, 68% of Catholic women** at risk for an unintended pregnancy** use highly effective methods of contraception. 2% use NFP. 11% use no method. The rest use condoms or other methods. This is comparable to all women; see figure 3 on page 6.

The media might be misrepresenting the data but the survey by the NSFG and the analysis by the Guttmacher Institute is what it is.

I did a poll of CAF members who were married.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=572226

Of the 135 people who voted, ~46% have never contraceptives. 24% currently don’t but have in the past.
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Question? So, was the data a major importance to the offering of this health coverage law? What exactly does it hold? That XX amount of woman using contraceptives gives the government (government-subsidized coverage) ability to offer contraceptives into their coverage - knowing that it would be against the principles of the church? Has this issue turned into the blame game?

Another thing, and it was said ( and even with Mark Rienzi, interview with Raymond Arroyo:see article, becketfund.org/nothing-changes-with-obamas-birth-control-compromise/) that what use to be available for woman, as a alternative, may not be under this plan.There will diffidently be changes for women, not just on Moral issues but how woman will be able to step through the hoops (sorta speak) in order to get to certain medical treatment…
 
MorningSong51 said:
Question? So, was the data a major importance to the offering of this health coverage law? What exactly does it hold? That XX amount of woman using contraceptives gives the government (government-subsidized coverage) ability to offer contraceptives into their coverage - knowing that it would be against the principles of the church? Has this issue turned into the blame game?
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The opinion of the authors of the report by the Guttmacher Institute is this:
“…[T]he implications for policymakers are
clear: Policies that make contraceptives more affordable
and easier to use are not just sound public health policy—
they also reflect the needs and desires of the vast majority
of American women and their partners, regardless of
their religious affiliation.”

The recommendation by the Institutes of Medicine to HHS states this:

"The evidence provided to support a recommendation related to unintended pregnancy is based on systematic evidence reviews and other peer-reviewed studies, which indicate that contraception and contraceptive drug counseling, are effective at reducing unintended pregnancies. "

The data regarding religious affiliation was not a factor in the recommendation by the IOM as far as I can tell.

No matter what it does, the government is going to tick some people off. If it serves the greater good, they don’t seem to mind stepping on some people’s toes.

healthypeople.gov/2020/topicsobjectives2020/overview.aspx?topicId=13
 
So 22% of Catholics attend Mass weekly, and the same percentage agree with the Church’s teaching on contraception. Seems almost like a contradiction. It’s like saying that 22% of married men believe in their marriage vows.
 
samiam1611 said:
The opinion of the authors of the report by the Guttmacher Institute is this:
“…[T]he implications for policymakers are
clear: Policies that make contraceptives more affordable
and easier to use are not just sound public health policy—
they also reflect the needs and desires of the vast majority
of American women and their partners, regardless of
their religious affiliation.”

The recommendation by the Institutes of Medicine to HHS states this:

"The evidence provided to support a recommendation related to unintended pregnancy is based on systematic evidence reviews and other peer-reviewed studies, which indicate that contraception and contraceptive drug counseling, are effective at reducing unintended pregnancies. "

The data regarding religious affiliation was not a factor in the recommendation by the IOM as far as I can tell.

No matter what it does, the government is going to tick some people off. If it serves the greater good, they don’t seem to mind stepping on some people’s toes.

healthypeople.gov/2020/topicsobjectives2020/overview.aspx?topicId=13
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The latest remarks on this issue, is that the church will take it to court:

This article was viewed back in 2011:

Early last month, President Obama bragged to a St. Louis crowd about the recent Health and Human Services’ regulations that will require thousands of religious employers to pay for contraception, sterilization and drugs that probably cause abortions. The crowd cheered the president’s contraceptive mandate. He joined their revelry, shouting, “Darn Tootin’!” to the crowd’s delight.
The same week, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius addressed a NARAL Pro-Choice America fundraiser. She told the raucous crowd that “we are in a war” and boasted of the regulation that forces religious objectors to choose between violating their religion and kicking their employees off of health insurance.
Yesterday, Nov. 9, Secretary Sebelius’ war against religious objectors landed her someplace she and the administration can expect to receive less applause: federal court.

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/sebelius-war-lands-her-in-court/#ixzz1mhNAenSX
 
JimG said:
So 22% of Catholics attend Mass weekly, and the same percentage agree with the Church’s teaching on contraception. Seems almost like a contradiction. It’s like saying that 22% of married men believe in their marriage vows.
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I think the teaching on contraception is a tough one for most US Catholics. But those who take it seriously also take seriously the requirement to attend Mass weekly.
 
I really think that this administration is glad to be at war with religion and at war with the Catholic Church. They believe that the Church is sufficiently unpopular and that contraception is sufficientlhy popular that they can easily win. They believe that religion is all but dead and that secularism is the reigning philosophy. They believe that people treasure sexual license more than they treasure religious freedom. Like the philosophes of the French Revolution, they want to undo the Church and religion entirely. And they believe that now they have the power to accomplish their goals.
 
Dale_M said:
I think the teaching on contraception is a tough one for most US Catholics. But those who take it seriously also take seriously the requirement to attend Mass weekly.
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Yes, of course, and apparently no one takes the concept of grave sin very seriously, even nominal Catholics. Weekly Mass and the practice of artificial contraception are considered grave sin in Catholic moral teaching. But no doubt many of us don’t hesitate to absolve ourselves of our own favorite sins even as we don’t seek absolution in the confessional–and I apply that to other things than contraception and Mass attendance as well. It’s human nature, I suppose. But in my own lifetime, Catholics have gone from attending Mass weekly without fail to attending Mass a few times a year, with no apparent qualms of conscience.
 
JimG said:
Weekly Mass and the practice of artificial contraception are considered grave sin in Catholic moral teaching.
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Not to deride your otherwise excellent point, JimG, but I’m not sure if I’m reading this particular sentence wrongly. I interpreted this to mean that fulfilling a Sunday obligation is a grave sin. Am I right to say that this isn’t what you meant? :confused:
 
Filii_Dei said:
Not to deride your otherwise excellent point, JimG, but I’m not sure if I’m reading this particular sentence wrongly. I interpreted this to mean that fulfilling a Sunday obligation is a grave sin. Am I right to say that this isn’t what you meant? :confused:
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You’re right! My sentence was garbled and unclear. I should have said that not attending Sunday (or Saturday vigil) Mass and practicing artificial contraception are both grave matter for Catholics.
 
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