On limiting population growth thru contraception

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Personally I would not choose Mars. It takes too long to get there and back, nobody would tolerate wasting a year and a half of their lives on just one commute there and back.
Right – I don’t see a lot of volunteers rushing to sign on, particularly as some scientists have called for volunteers for a one-way trip; these people will never see their loved ones again.
Thats why I suggest the closest object to Earth. And instead of wasting money and effort building factories I say we should just fire cheap rockets of bacteria and algae or whatever simple biological life-form will start the process towards creating an atmosphere.
This will not happen on the moon, which is essentially sterile. If the Moon has not evolved life in 4.5 billion years, we’re probably not going to jump start it ourselves.
 
The reason this is not a solution to overpopulation is that: … you would have to develop a cheap way of sending large amounts of people to Mars.
Correct. The net human population of the earth increases by a million people every four days. In order just to tread water at ZPG we would have to export 250,000 people per day to another hypothetically inhabitable planet.
 
If you would like to PM me and let me know how you view the question of birth control in light of the population issue, I’d like to hear what you have to say.
Control of human numbers will happen whether we want it to or no. If we flounder on, refusing to limit human procreation voluntarily, nature will take care of the excess for us in coming generations, reducing the human population by means of famine, epidemic disease, and resource wars over the world’s remaining stocks of oil, gas, copper, molybdenum, and all the other rare earth elements so vital to our technological civilization.

In case you’re interested, there is the Olduvai theory: “According to our analysis, conventional fossil fuels are set to peak in a decade or so and following that, decline will open an ever widening gap from today’s per capita energy use. Based on finite FF resources, energy per capita is indeed headed towards a cliff, and this may lead Mankind back to the Olduvai Gorge if action is not taken to address this problem. Many of those who have studied this problem in the past have concluded that the journey back to Olduvai is unavoidable.”

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I also find the rhetoric of “there are too many people” rather disturbing. But logically, obviously you’re right that the resources of one planet are finite. Edwin
Edwin, of course it’s disturbing! We’ve all been raised on the assumption that Earth’s resources will never run out, and that everyone is entitled to have as many children as they want, infinitely into the future.

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Correct. The net human population of the earth increases by a million people every four days. In order just to tread water at ZPG we would have to export 250,000 people per day to another hypothetically inhabitable planet.
Buffalo posted a link to a page of population statistics, very interesting. You should read it all. You might notice a strange thing, the last time there was the maxima of a population surge there was a global flood. Only Noah and his family survived. If the same maxima occurs in the next few decades then there will be a conflagration this time, as stated in various prophesies, wiping out the majority of mankind.
But if there is ever any wiping out of mankind’s population I for one would rather the Creator did it than that mankind does it through control.
 
The issue is that the world economic system has been built on credit. Since each credit has to be paid back with interest, it requires infinite economic growth, or it will collapse. To top that off, retirement systems have been built on the assumption that each generation is more numerous than the previous, so it can pay the pensions of the previous generation. This is where the 3% growth idea comes from.

That very system has already hit the resource limits – i.e. peak oil – and is beginnig to collapse.
The term “peak oil” is flat-out WRONG. We have not reached that point and we may not reach it for a long time. A very long time.

There is another oil boom happening within the United States and in several other areas in the world, in case you hadn’t heard. We now have the technology to safely extract usable crude oil from shale. And there’s a whole lot of that below the surface of our country. This may in fact change the geopolitical situation in our favor and away from the Middle East, provided that the next administration allows for exploration and development of the resources.

The doom-cryers have been crying for my entire life and none of their predictions have come to pass. And yet, we still give them credence? Ha.
 
Technology drives up U. S. oil field yields

Production hits 24-year high as import of petroleum drops
:clapping::yup:

I had not read to the end of the thread when I posted - had no idea that you had put this up! Dovetails perfectly with my post. I get so excited when I read these articles. God really does have a plan for us and he WILL provide! We just have to have faith in Him and to do His will for us.

“Oil is first found in the minds of men.” - Wallace E. Pratt.
 
Buffalo posted a link to a page of population statistics, very interesting. You should read it all.
I have.
You might notice a strange thing, the last time there was the maxima of a population surge there was a global flood. Only Noah and his family survived.
There was never a global flood. That’s a creationist myth.
If the same maxima occurs in the next few decades then there will be a conflagration this time, as stated in various prophesies, wiping out the majority of mankind.
These prophecies are New Age bunk.
But if there is ever any wiping out of mankind’s population I for one would rather the Creator did it than that mankind does it through control.
I completely agree with you!
 
The term “peak oil” is flat-out WRONG. We have not reached that point and we may not reach it for a long time. A very long time.
False. Do you understand what the term “peak oil” refers to?
There is another oil boom happening within the United States and in several other areas in the world, in case you hadn’t heard. We now have the technology to safely extract usable crude oil from shale. And there’s a whole lot of that below the surface of our country. This may in fact change the geopolitical situation in our favor and away from the Middle East, provided that the next administration allows for exploration and development of the resources.
There will always be oil, even when gasoline costs $100 per gallon…
The doom-cryers have been crying for my entire life and none of their predictions have come to pass. And yet, we still give them credence? Ha.
Every year 15 million children die of hunger. If you are unconcerned with this, where is your heart?
 
Vatican Radio director welcomes seven billionth baby

Vatican City, Nov 5, 2011 / 02:06 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Fr. Federico Lombardi, S.J., the director general of Vatican Radio, welcomed the birth of the seven billionth person in his weekly editorial.
“Dear baby number seven billion,” said the Italian priest Nov. 5, “we pray that you can understand that your life will find its fullest meaning not in this world but in the next. Because this is what you were born for. Your Creator and Father made you for this.”
Fr. Lombardi delivered his thoughts only days after a major United Nations report estimated that world’s population reached the seven billion mark on Oct. 31. The report, “State of World Population 2011,” also estimated that the earth’s total population could number more than 10 billion by the end of this century.
Fr. Lombardi speculated about the circumstances and geography of this week’s seven billionth birth.
“I don’t know if you were born on a remote island, or in a refugee tent. I don’t know whether you are healthy or sick or handicapped. I don’t know whether both your parents were there to embrace you at your birth, or whether your mother alone was there to hold you.”
Though some commentators have criticized population growth, the U.N. report casts some positive light on the phenomenon.
“There is much to celebrate in world population trends over the last 60 years,” it comments, adding “our record population size can be viewed in many ways as a success for humanity.”

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While I certainly don’t support abortion, I find the above truly offensive. It dehumanizes children by looking at them as little money-making machines rather than human beings.

Furthermore, it forces emotion into the issue and causes people to not think with clear minds. If humans didn’t ever-increasingly live beyond their means, they wouldn’t need to try and have their children bail themselves out.
 
While I certainly don’t support abortion, I find the above truly offensive. It dehumanizes children by looking at them as little money-making machines rather than human beings.

Furthermore, it forces emotion into the issue and causes people to not think with clear minds. If humans didn’t ever-increasingly live beyond their means, they wouldn’t need to try and have their children bail themselves out.
You have got to be kidding. 😦 The whole idea of bringing out these statistics to support pro-life. I answered the request to support the 30 trillion dollar claim.
 
The term “peak oil” is flat-out WRONG. We have not reached that point and we may not reach it for a long time. A very long time.
It’s actually correct. Oil companies recognize it, geologists recognize it, etc. The issue is simply when. The pessimists simply have a early date than the optimists. Furthermore, production isn’t the only relevant issue. EROEI is very important, and this number is going up as the easy-to-access sources are being used up. That mean more energy resources must be used to obtain the energy, and less energy available for consumption for uses not related to energy production.
There is another oil boom happening within the United States and in several other areas in the world, in case you hadn’t heard. We now have the technology to safely extract usable crude oil from shale. And there’s a whole lot of that below the surface of our country. This may in fact change the geopolitical situation in our favor and away from the Middle East, provided that the next administration allows for exploration and development of the resources.
It is true that the U.S. is trying to extract energy from various sources. Extracting oil from shale requires a whole lot more energy than driving a well in a desert, which means you need to produce a lot more of it just keep up with one’s energy demands.
The doom-cryers have been crying for my entire life and none of their predictions have come to pass. And yet, we still give them credence? Ha.
The infamous Balkanization of people rears it’s ugly head again. Let’s just divide the parties into the “let’s do nothing crowd” and the “doom-sayer” crowd.

Fact is, there are many of us that decisions on facts and not emotions. We are slowly heading toward what is predicted based on those facts.
 
You have got to be kidding. 😦 The whole idea of bringing out these statistics to support pro-life. I answered the request to support the 30 trillion dollar claim.
So the pro-life view is to view babies as little economic engines to bail us out of the problems we created?

Really, God help us if that is their position.
 
Great facts, buffalo and TheRealJuliane.

As a retired member of the oil industry after 34 years, I was enjoying the pickle into which the doomsayers and illiterates were embroiling themselves over their energy impasse, as well as population confusion. Typical of the immense confusion is Warrior1979’s “So the pro-life view is to view babies as little economic engines to bail us out of the problems we created? Really, God help us if that is their position.” (#316)

Thank God for the creativity of free enterprise, free will, prudence, justice, fortitude and temperance, and the building of Western civilization by the Catholic Church.
 
It’s actually correct. Oil companies recognize it, geologists recognize it, etc. The issue is simply when. The pessimists simply have a early date than the optimists. Furthermore, production isn’t the only relevant issue. EROEI is very important, and this number is going up as the easy-to-access sources are being used up. That mean more energy resources must be used to obtain the energy, and less energy available for consumption for uses not related to energy production.

It is true that the U.S. is trying to extract energy from various sources. Extracting oil from shale requires a whole lot more energy than driving a well in a desert, which means you need to produce a lot more of it just keep up with one’s energy demands.

The infamous Balkanization of people rears it’s ugly head again. Let’s just divide the parties into the “let’s do nothing crowd” and the “doom-sayer” crowd.

Fact is, there are many of us that decisions on facts and not emotions. We are slowly heading toward what is predicted based on those facts.
The problem is when they announce the biggest oil find ever as they did a few months ago. New oil finds just keeps happening.
 
So the pro-life view is to view babies as little economic engines to bail us out of the problems we created?

Really, God help us if that is their position.
A growing economy is what is needed, and yes human beings are what do it. Those are the facts. Yes, we kill babies, and yes that is a reason for our economic woes. To call it a bail out is a strange way to put it.
 
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