On the justice of original sin

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It’s inherited because God allows. God allows it because He wants to allow it. Hence, it’s punishment with extra steps
 
HarryStotle said:
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They do, but why you should make the child of Ted Bundy pay for his father’s crimes?
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attempting to excuse their own behaviour by off-loading their responsibility onto God.
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It’s God’s responsibility for being an absentee landlord rather than doing what He should have done, not create sin which he claims to hate and then make us pay for it. I don’t care if He didn’t add the spice of sin to the salad of life directly, He knew full well that the mixture would create sin, or else He doesn’t know everything and is not all-powerful. And yet He gave the countdown for blast off and got it all going.

Once again, not good enough
 
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Yes, it’s an evil He does not bother to wipe out. Even though it would be as easy as can be. It’s NOT a fair punishment, mind you, but gratuitous evil
 
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Hate to break the news to you but this is called LIFE. God never said he wouldn’t allow bad things happen. Our fallen state predisposes us to disease and death. Furthermore, free-will allows us to perpetrate evil if we wish. You’ll have to wait for Heaven if you want your tears wiped away.
 
Hate to break it to you but it’s “LIFE” because God allows it. Suffering exists because He allows it and probably doesn’t even give a tiny rat’s a** about how it hurts us
 
Curious11 said:
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HarryStotle:
Our actions have grave consequences.
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They do, but why you should make the child of Ted Bundy pay for his father’s crimes?
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Because his father’s crimes would not be crimes unless they have grave consequences. And biology being as it is, some characteristics are inheritable and all crimes create moral fallout within the human condition. Such is the nature of human existence. We are not islands unto ourselves. Indeed, we are all one in Adam in a very real sense. So what we think, say and do impacts everyone around us and everyone who comes after us. That is the weight of glory.

The evil lasts to several generations, but the good lasts eternally. No comparison.

We, as good moral agents need to have clarity regarding the impact of our actions, including biologically. Our children are not to blame for what they inherit, but they do need to overcome the consequences. Our shame for bringing that evil onto them by our commissions and omissions. We shouldn’t try to excuse our irresponsibility nor abdicate our responsibility. God, for his part, provides sufficient grace to overcome all of it, even the grace required to will to overcome it. That we don’t is on our own heads.
 
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Just because he allows it doesn’t mean he doesn’t love us. When compared with eternity, this life will be but a distant memory.

Do you regret your existence?
 
What I do or don’t regret is not the point.

Yes I know compared to eternity this is nothing. You’re arguing my side of the debate: I would give up free will any day of any week of any year of whatever decade and century of whichever millennium in exchange NOT of going to heaven, but just to die and be no more at the end of it rather than going to hell FOREVER.

And free will is a gift? You can have it back God!
 
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The law that is good for a mortal body with a mortal soul is the law that pertain to mortal life. The law of survival.

The law that is good for a mortal body with an immortal soul is law that pertains to immortal life. The Law of God.

God put His law in the hearts of Adam and Eve. They chose as good the law of mortal life. The law that pertains to bodies that die. This became the law our bodies obey because Adam and Eve decided to obey that law as thinking it was a better. After sin our bodies obey the law that is natural for animals because mortal life is natural to them. Humans have immortal souls so immortal life is natural to us. A body that dies is not natural for us but is for animals.

Edit to add: So animals didn’t sin. They still do what God created them to do. Survive
 
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Curious11 said:
Yes, it’s an evil He does not bother to wipe out. Even though it would be as easy as can be. It’s NOT a fair punishment, mind you, but gratuitous evil
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Well, it is a tiny, naive, emotional and transient you who is making the claim that it would be “easy as can be.” As if you would have any idea how truly “easy” it would truly be, given that you are even finding avoiding evil extraordinarily difficult at this time.

God, on the other hand recognizes that it isn’t as easy as your limitations make it appear. He became man and suffered the “extreme penalty” as his part in wiping out evil. Yet, you won’t even sacrifice a bit of emotional turmoil on your own behalf.

Here you are rationalizing away any responsibility on your part for doing anything to overcome evil, but instead are attempting to justify indulging your concupiscence by laying out a vacuous set of rhetorical gibes.
 
Why are we assuming that physical death is somehow a “punishment?”
 
“Vacous set of rhetorical gibes” is exactly what atheists call religion. Strange of you to use that term
HarryStotle said:
He became man and suffered the “extreme penalty” as his part in wiping out evil. Yet, you won’t even sacrifice a bit of emotional turmoil on your own behalf.
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He chose to come to Earth to engage in extreme masochism rather than wipe out sin with the flick of a finger. Nothing admirable there, but more unnecessary pain
 
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HarryStotle:
The evil lasts to several generations
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The evil of original sin lasts for thousands of generations (or however many generations we are removed from the original perpetrators).
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Original sin has lasted for thousands of generations, but that does not imply it had to. The fact that humans have perpetuated the evils arising from original sin does not mean they had to have been perpetuated for that timespan.
 
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