On the justice of original sin

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And yet God allows that cognitive bias. He isn’t bothering to move a finger to get me out of it or doubt
 
Benadam said:
The law that is good for a mortal body with a mortal soul is the law that pertain to mortal life. The law of survival.
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Respectfully opinion only. In pondering,
God created the Universe and all within the Universe continue’s to be nourished in order to exist, through His Natural Source of Engery. The mortal body, mortal life as we know it, cannot continue to exist with out all that He has created, our very Natural Source, Natural Laws that produce such energy needed for all Life forms on earth to exist.

We live in the Universe, we do not exist on the outside looking in do we? All He created suffers, naturally for a reason? All matter including animals, by those who have studied animal behavior, nonhuman beings, are intellectual creatures, natural laws, or gifts of survial, complex emotions and cupabilities, suffering similiare to humans?

Choose not to degrade his Creation in all Life Forms. All is needed and all needs to be cared for, for the good of all Life forms on earth. So all is of great Value to HIM?

The Natural Law of Nature within all His Creation suffers also, why? How? Through floods? Diseases? Hurricans, man made Polutions? Wind storms etc?
Yet God commands us Human Beings>>to serve Him, in caring for, to continue in laboring in His Garden, as Gardeners>>>in nourishing, to protect, to provide what is needed, to labor and cultivate>>>>> does he not and >>>in doing so for >>>> all His Creation even His Creatures >>His animals >>>>>>>>>>>God has not only commanded, but we are put in>>>>>>>>>Authority over, holding us also responsible to maintain their well being? We will be held accountable for, will we not >>>>>>>>>on judgment day?
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Ones immortal or mortal confuses me, sorry. Forgetting that which comes from the Infinite, immoral, created also that which is mortal, finite, physically in all flesh?

Thus those who have been given much will have much to answer for?

“St Paul sees creation not as something completed and static but as groaning in Labour pains ( Romans 8:22) as it slowly comes to birth and progresses on its long journey”>>>>>unquote >ever read the books by Tielhard De Chardin? Mention also by Pope Benedict and Pope Francis?

Do we not rise to a higher intellect from when we first began?

Is suffering part of His Natural Law of Life within the whole Universe and in all He created, maybe for a reason. maybe, that which we still have yet to fully comprehend why maybe?

All that is made from matter, whether a Human Body or an Animal Body returns to the matter from which it came and that which is Spiritual returns to that from which it came? Who created All now?

Tieldhard De Chardin, a Jesuit, genius they say long long before His time.
Peace 🙂
 
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If it is unjust to be punished due to original sin, it is also not right to receive the merits of the Cross.

We are together in this. Where’s the sense of community? Our sufferings can be used to help others. One Body in Christ.

Adam literally means man.
 
Curious11 said:
And yet God allows that cognitive bias. He isn’t bothering to move a finger to get me out of it or doubt
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You just fairly recently got interested in the Catholic Faith, after years of being a strident atheist/agnostic/nonreligious. I call that moving.
You’re now in some doubt. Sometimes we need patience. God sees, like, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY ahead. He already knows the end result, but you’re still stuck in the very moment. This isn’t surprising. Sometimes it takes time to get out of a mindset. Sometimes there will be fall backs into this mindset. Don’t worry. I know, how can I just say that? You can’t help but worry! This bothers you so much and you just want to know the truth! Well, then, my friend, is that not much more than moving a finger?
 
Too late. I’m an agnostic now. If God wants me back, let Him make the effort. I’m sick of His riddles and bad jokes
 
Curious11 said:
And yet God allows that cognitive bias. He isn’t bothering to move a finger to get me out of it or doubt
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So when you are hungry do you, likewise, blame God for “not bothering to move a finger” to get you out of your state of hunger?

In no wise do you bear responsibility for getting out of your states?

Perhaps God’s finger is not an immediately evident one but is there in hidden ways to be made use of by faith. Faith is a supernatural virtue and virtues are enabling capacities.
 
I blame him for giving the need to eat or else die of hunger and of not feeding me, yes.

I have no choice but to do it myself, waiting on him…
 
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You’d have no breath with which to speak. Your body would be animated no longer. Like a firework that flies to the sky and explodes in a beautiful array of lights, you would have already faded away.
 
No it wouldn’t. There’s the possibility that God simply does not exist, or worse, he doesn’t care
 
Curious11 said:
And yet God allows that cognitive bias. He isn’t bothering to move a finger to get me out of it or doubt
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You say this as if he exists solely to act on your every whim.
Curious11 said:
I blame him for giving the need to eat or else die of hunger and of not feeding me, yes.

I have no choice but to do it myself, waiting on him…
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Should he hold your hand and wipe your nose too? Seriously, Gods not your butler. If you want to be Agnostic, FINE. However, you’re only serving to embarrass yourself with this kind of complaining .
 
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The way I see it, life is like a leaf. We grow and are nurtured, and then give back to society, or the tree.
And then we fall and dance to the ground.

We too must fall to the ground. But, some do not dance to the ground. I want to be a leaf that does.

One of the clearest things in the world from experience is that man without reason is as the beast. He will seek after vain sense pleasures. Flipping between one thought and another. Rather than dancing to the ground, he is violently thrown against it by the wind. But one who takes up reason, he becomes less like a beast. He who grows in reason and virtue, much less a beast he becomes likened to God. The man of virtue and valor dances to the ground.

The veil of tears we live in makes us realize how much better it could be. We want to not follow the god of this fallen world, and indeed we do not follow he who is called the “god of this world”. But, so many think they rebel against this one, when they follow his desires so easily.

If we are like fireworks, I want to explode beautifully before fading away.
 
I don’t care who’s embarrassed, the point is everything that happens happens under His nose because He tolerates it. Whatever conclusions you want to reach from there is up to you.
 
Not believing in God does not mean you have no reason.

The veil of tears reminds us God has put us here instead of in paradise. What a lovely character. He turned His back on me
 
Luke 16:31

He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

In other words, nothing will change your mind.
 
Believe or don’t believe. You’ll have to decide. Perhaps you should sit down with a counselor and discuss this. I’m sensing some self loathing in your posts.
 
Maybe you’re right, I am a troubled young man and deep down I think I have some degree of self-loathing that is probably the result of some strange form of attention-seeking narcissism.

That doesn’t mean God exists or He’s good (or even logical!)
 
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Curious11 said:
Maybe you’re right, I am a troubled young man and deep down I think I have some degree of self-loathing that is probably the result of some strange form of attention-seeking narcissism.
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And for a brief moment, I thought you were posting on this site in order to find a reason to believe . . . but now you’ve presented a more basic reason: attention-seeking narcissism.
 
That was originally my motivation. But i now find it too hard to believe in God
 
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