On the justice of original sin

  • Thread starter Thread starter someone429
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I did not say it left you without reason. My request is that one is filled with virtue and reason regardless of your intellectual beliefs.

It is more of the fault of sin, but I personally am very glad that I am here for a short time. But there is much to do and not enough time.
 
“Pray as though everything depended on God. Work as though everything depended on you.”
St Augustine

Yes, we should be like His Hands and Feet.

But, all good things are from Him. Like a spring they come up in all of us. If we help others, it is not ourselves, but the love of God illuminating our hearts for our fellow man.
 
Right. Everything good comes from God, everything evil is lack of God. How conveniently undebunkable this God is!!

Not good enough
 
Last edited:
Catholicism teaches that because of the original sin, people suffer pain, diseases, and tendency towards evil. How can this be just?
Say your grandparents moved to Northern Syria when it was doing very well …which means you are now born into and living in a hell hole.
How can that be just?

Same question…
 
Last edited:
Off topic. And Adam and Eve were two real people.

"Adam and Eve: Real People

"
It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism).

"In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” (Humani Generis 37).

“The story of the creation and fall of man is a true one, even if not written entirely according to modern literary techniques. The Catechism states, “The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents” (CCC 390).”
 
For an atheist you are very strong on emotion and very short on reason.
 
The space of time is irrelevant. It takes less than a fraction of a second for the Holy Spirit to inhabit a soul.

And no, based on logical nonsense on the part of God.
 
I notice you seem to think of a lot of things that are misunderstandings of God.

He doesn’t do everything you are supposed to do. He gives us very much, but ultimately it is up to us to use what we are given. Sanctification is not easy. It is very literally a fight for your life.

Rather than fix all our mistakes for us, we are given what we need to fix it…by His Grace, of course.
 
I beg to differ, Curious11. God hasn’t furnished you with any logical nonsense (He’d have to exist in order to do that, right?), but rather, humans have. And you’re not buying any of it. I get that. In some ways I’m sympathetic, despite being a theist myself. I reject over half of what gets posted on this site by overzealous though well-meaning folks whose confirmation bias overcomes their rationality.

As a result, you have apparently concluded that a particular human model of God doesn’t exist. (I suspect it is a model formulated by the Church, but I don’t know. Its source doesn’t really matter.) You cannot accept a God who is both omnipotent and all-loving, because you can’t see how such a God would allow evil and suffering to exist in the world. You cannot accept a God who is just, yet punishes A for the sins of B. You cannot accept a God who doesn’t reach out to you with evidence of His existence and His nature.

Maybe you need a new model, my friend.
 
Last edited:
No we’re not given everything we need. We’re not even given the certainty that He’s there. Instead we’re given the silent treatment and obscure revelations time and again.

God does not accept Half-hearted faith, but he demands full faith in exchange for half-hearted (or less!) signs of His existence. He’s a hypocrite
 
I claim no discovery. Just commenting on what I see.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top