On the morality of being drunk

[Bennie_P]

Getting drunk is stupid, but not sinful in itself. It just makes it much easier to sin by silencing your logic, inhibitions, etc.

Just a note to all you guys out there, you’re not suave/attractive/smart/cool when you’re drunk. You may think you are, but the girls you approach probably don’t think you are. They’re laughing at you, not with you. :tiphat:

Not sinful? Just stupid, heh:dts: If you’re getting stupid too often I think you might need to seek help. http://www.car-accidents.com/pics/carphotos/3-11-04.jpg
Police on the Scene of Fatal Drunk Driving crash

 

[steveandersen]

Getting drunk is stupid, but not sinful in itself. It just makes it much easier to sin by silencing your logic, inhibitions, etc.

Just a note to all you guys out there, you’re not suave/attractive/smart/cool when you’re drunk. You may think you are, but the girls you approach probably don’t think you are. They’re laughing at you, not with you. :tiphat:

well at least they are paying some sort of attention to me

 

[Joel_Tunnah]

This seems like a thread custom designed for people to justify their behavior.

On some level, everyone who drinks (even one) is looking for a little modification of their state of being, and that doesn’t strike me as especially christian. The bible seems pretty clear on the subject too, start with Genesis 19:30-38

 

[steveandersen]

This seems like a thread custom designed for people to justify their behavior.

On some level, everyone who drinks (even one) is looking for a little modification of their state of being, and that doesn’t strike me as especially christian. The bible seems pretty clear on the subject too, start with Genesis 19:30-38

If even one drink is unchristian then what was Christ doing making the drinks at Canna?

 

[Joel_Tunnah]

It doesn’t say Jesus drank the wine, and besides they had no way to purify water. Wine and beer were the only safe beverages then.

 

[steveandersen]

It doesn’t say Jesus drank the wine, and besides they had no way to purify water. Wine and beer were the only safe beverages then.

Yes I know, I design water treatment systems as well as make beer and wine

BUT even if the text doesn’t explicitly say that Christ drank the wine at Canna (which He probably would have because, like you say, they couldn’t trust the water supply) if even 1 drink was unchristian why would he be handing out drinks to others?

 

[DL82]

Feeling like you “need” a drink after a hard week at work doesn’t necessarily mean you have a problem, it could just mean you had a hard week and God wants you to have a drink and relax.

Maybe it doesn’t mean you have a drinking problem, maybe you have a working problem instead!

As Oscar Wilde said, ‘work is the curse of the drinking classes’

Seriously though, if your working life takes such a toll on you that by Friday night all you can think about is getting wrecked out of your mind, waking up Saturday afternoon not really knowing what happened, then monging around for the rest of the weekend in a daze before the stress cycle begins again on Monday, then your job is too much for you. Get out. Attachment to worldly things can mean too much attachment to work or to the financial benefits that it brings too.

If somebody offered you a job on your current salary where you ran around with a fiery torch screaming at a bunch of angry bears and lions all day, then at the end of the week they hit you over the head with a mallet and knocked you unconscious, would you take it? If you’re under enormous amounts of mental stress all week and need to get blind drunk at the end of it, then you’re job’s having the same negative effect on your health as the one I’ve just described.

Everything in moderation, work included !

 

[Sure]

Maybe it doesn’t mean you have a drinking problem, maybe you have a working problem instead!

As Oscar Wilde said, ‘work is the curse of the drinking classes’

Seriously though, if your working life takes such a toll on you that by Friday night all you can think about is getting wrecked out of your mind, waking up Saturday afternoon not really knowing what happened, then monging around for the rest of the weekend in a daze before the stress cycle begins again on Monday, then your job is too much for you. Get out. Attachment to worldly things can mean too much attachment to work or to the financial benefits that it brings too.

If somebody offered you a job on your current salary where you ran around with a fiery torch screaming at a bunch of angry bears and lions all day, then at the end of the week they hit you over the head with a mallet and knocked you unconscious, would you take it? If you’re under enormous amounts of mental stress all week and need to get blind drunk at the end of it, then you’re job’s having the same negative effect on your health as the one I’ve just described.

Everything in moderation, work included !

Funny post and very ture about work. My point was that it is okay to feel like you need a drink and to have one and enjoy it and relax. I am NOT advocating drinking excessively. But have a few drinks on occasion can be a very good thing. Good Christian moderation and good Christian hospitality!

 

[Joel_Tunnah]

BUT even if the text doesn’t explicitly say that Christ drank the wine at Canna (which He probably would have because, like you say, they couldn’t trust the water supply) if even 1 drink was unchristian why would he be handing out drinks to others?

This is a very good question. I’m not a theologian, but I do know that Moses allowed divorce - and Jesus said that was because of the Israelites’ “hardness of heart”.
So, it seems like sometimes God allows not-so-great behavior, as a practicality.

 

[rwoehmke]

There seems to be an undercurrent that says, if you feel any effect from the “creature” you’ve had too much. That out and out seems to me to be rather silly. Why spend good money on booze, even one drink, if it isn’t supposed to have any effect on you? I don’t think feelings of relaxation or even a little buzz are sinful unless you drive with the buzz on. The problem becomes, how much buzz can one have without becoming morally impaired. Lose a few too many inhibitions and you become a pain in the behind for those around who are still sober.

If alcoholism runs in ones family it pays to be particularly cautious. May not be in the genes or it may be, but the psychological impact of growing up in the presence of drunks can be crippling to a child’s future psychological health. They say alcoholism does tend to run in families.

 

[steveandersen]

yeast is one of God’s greatest gifts to humans
it gives us both bread and wine

its domestication is as significant in human development as that of cattle or sheep.

sustenance, food preservation, and an ease from the labors of the day

I’m with Hilaire Belloc on this one

Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so,
Benedicamus Domino!

 

[MariaGorettiGrl]

Getting drunk isn’t a sin. If you drive drunk, then that’s wreckless endangerment of yourself and others and that is a sin. But not everyone who gets drunk then drives. Just like some people get drunk and wake up in bed with someone. That doesn’t mean drinking too much is the sin of lust. It means for some people drinking too much is a near occasion of sin. But not for everyone.

I had a friend who was a light drinker and she went to France and accidentally got drunk one of her first days because they brought her wine with each course at dinner and she didn’t realize how much she’d had. She didn’t sin, particularly because it was an accident. But she didn’t drive and all she didn’t act wild. All she did was go back to her hotel room and sleep. So there was no sin involved in her drunkness. She still paid for it in the morning!

As a side note, Jesus is recorded as drinking all the time in the Bible. What do you think He blessed and shared with the apostles at the last supper? If alcohol was evil, He wouldn’t have turned the water into wine at the wedding. He would have done the bigger miracle of making the water pure and safe to drink. People were probably getting drunk at that party, too. The reason they normally use the best wine first and the cheapest wine last is because people wouldn’t care so much by the time they got to the last of the wine, if you know what I mean.

Still, I’m not supporting getting drunk because it makes people really stupid, smelly and gross.

 

[JimmyV]

Being drunk is a sin from the CCC

Part 3, Section 1, Chapter 1, Article 8, SubSection 3

1852 There are a great many kinds of sins. Scripture provides several lists of them. The Letter to the Galatians contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit: “Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” 127
Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 5, SubSection 2, Heading 2
2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others’ safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.