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AlbertBall
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Believe me you don’t.
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warpspeedpetey
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how does anything that you just presented ‘support’ the moonlandings occurence?
it doesnt, thats the problem, you keep treating what you are calling evidence like there is no other explanation for it than the one you give. but when it comes to Biblical events you say that there are other explannations then the ones we give?
why is that?
DOUBLE STANDARD!
i just provided you with evidence that ‘supports’ the Virgin Birth. by the rules of what your calling evidence.
now, you can either admit that you use a double standard of evidence, or keep letting me demonstrate it.
im good either way.
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warpspeedpetey
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come on. that was your implication. cant you even admit that?so you dont know if any artifact actually has any connnection to the moonlanding, but somehow enough unknown artifacts amounts to a known event? thats ridiculous.
first, verification schems are self refuting. but i also gave you the same kind of ‘evidence’ that supports the virgin birth.
argumentum ad populum is a fallacy. however, if i wanted i could easily flood the poll with people who agree with me, after all this is a Catholic forum.
im sure it woud be, but none of them would be any better able than you have been to support the contention.
you have attempted to narrow it dow from Biblical events to the ‘virgin birth’ because you thought that would help your argument, i allowed it because i know the problem isnt with our claims, but with the standards that you apply to support your worldview.
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warpspeedpetey
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yes, i do.
its hilarious that you thinnk that people who dont agree with you must not understand ‘science’
if you truly understood it we wouldnt even be haviong this argument.
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AlbertBall
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No i say you have no supporting evidence therefore you claim in UNPROVEN!!!
I really wish you would improve your reading comprehension so i do not have to keep repeating myself and so you could address the actual points.
“how does anything that you just presented ‘support’ the moon landings occurrence?”
I really don’t know what to say to this? You claim to understand science but quotes like this clearly show you are scientifically illiterate.
Supporting evidence, is evidence which** strengthens **a case/claim. If you do not think that spaces suits, moon rock, rockets, Apollo capsules, videos of man on the moon (WHICH have been verified as genuine), PICTURES OF MAN ON THE MOON etc strengthen the case for the moon landing then you truly are a moron.
In other words if you think the someone claiming to have landed on the moon 400 years ago when we had none of the above is as valid as the claim in 1969 when we had all the above you need your head read.
No you have not provided ONE piece of physical evidence for the virgin birth. You claimed the evidence was the same, so its very very simple. PROVIDE ONE BIT OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE FOR THE VIRGIN BIRTH.
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AlbertBall
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If i didn’t understand it i wouldn’t have my degree and be studying past degree level as we speak. And it has nothing to do with you not agreeing with me, it is quotes like this that show you not only have zero understanding of science, but that that you clearly lack any sort of education…yes, i do.
its hilarious that you thinnk that people who dont agree with you must not understand ‘science’
if you truly understood it we wouldnt even be haviong this argument.
“how does anything that you just presented ‘support’ the moon landings occurrence?”
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tonyrey
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The reason why the violence has stopped is that circumstances have changed and neither country would benefit from another war. What about the antagonism between the Jews and the Arabs? Is your solution to wait until the antagonism to die down?
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AlbertBall
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Another classic quote!
Firstly it is just artifacts i have presented.
I have presented you with the science behind the functioning of the equipment. We have the equipments as physical evidence, we have FIRST HAND accounts from the eye witnesses including those that were on the moon, we have the video and photo graphic evidence, we have the extra terrestrial rocks, we have the future applications derived from the technology invented for the moon landings.
Have you ever heard the term “building a case”. In science research can be justified by building a case to support your research and hypothesis. Furthermore this is EXACTLY how the legal system works! So if you think the above is “ridiculous” then you better start letting all the murders and rapists out the jail for building a case against them is **EXACTLY how their guilt is established beyond reasonable doubt. **
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Right. And it has nothing to do with Christianity. It was a completely secular process.
Sure. It is their business. Eventually it will cease, and if not, it is still their business. What is your solution? Convert them to Christianity? Not very likely to succeed, is it? But you can try… it is your time and money.What about the antagonism between the Jews and the Arabs? Is your solution to wait until the antagonism to die down?
What is your problem? Is there an obligation to answer every bit you happen to throw at me?
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tonyrey
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Indeed! A **completely secular **process which resulted in an immense amount of unnecessary suffering and bloodshed…
What a selfish, cynical, unrealistic, outdated attitude! It clearly reflects your philosophy that we all exist by chance. You either fail to realise or reject the fact that we are all responsible for what happens to other members of the human race and for the conservation of this planet. Not only that. You also fail to realise or reject the fact that the conflict between the Jews and the Arabs could escalate into a nuclear war with devastating consequences for the entire world…
You reveal your defeatist brand of cynicism once again… Heaven help the world if it is converted to your nihilism and adulation of the blind Goddess… We can guess what the priorities are for your time and money…
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Not at all. But it is rather suggestive… An excellent example of how useful it is to have obligations which are self-imposed. They can be discarded when you encounter the slightest difficulty or obstacle…
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R_Daneel
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You are irrational. The **cessation **of the hostilities did **not **include bloodshed. The hostilites did. And the cessation was secular.
So farfetched. I could worry about a meteor landing on my head, but I don’t. And you did no tell your solution to end the conflict either. Why not? Either you let them sort out their difficulties, or you impose your own solution on them. The one and only non-violent method is to suggest but not force a peaceful solution. And if they don’t listen, it is their problem. “I am not my brother’s keeper” - if you want explicitly. If my brother wants assistence, that is all right. If he refuses, let him carry the consquences.
Don’t hypothesize about my motives.Not at all. But it is rather suggestive… An excellent example of how useful it is to have obligations which are self-imposed. They can be discarded when you encounter the slightest difficulty or obstacle…
And NONE of these have anything to do with the questoin of this thread!
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warpspeedpetey
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im not British, so i have no idea what degree level, means. but dont you know not to brag about your education?
what deoes that have to do with science at all? and why would you think im uneducated? simply because im pointing out the flaws in your worldview?
you still didnt answer the question, you just implied i was uneducated if i didnt know.
so answer it. im curious as to how you know the moonlanding happened based on this evidence? couldnt this evidence existe without a moonlanding occuring?
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warpspeedpetey
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Another classic quote!
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If my grandmother would have had “you know what” she would have been my grandfather. The Irish on both sides followed Christ accoring to their interpretation, and there was ample bloodshed there… if you know what I am talking about.
I feel responsibility for myself and my loved ones. I fulfill that responsibility, too. I do not have responsibility to the people who love to hate each other, and keep on killing each other. You may believe that we are here not by a netural process (which you mistakenly call: “chance”), but you have no evidence for that, except your wishful thinking.
And conversely, I do not ask others to feed me, and stick to the concept of live and let live. They are also adults, they take care of themselves. If they ask for help, and I am in the position to help, then I will help. But I will not try to impose my ideas on them - even if I could, which I cannot.
After all this nonsense, you should posit your own solution, which you evaded so far.
Or does not care about those questions which do not belong to the thread.
Ah, at last something related to the thread. “Intuition” as an epistemological tool, indeed. Guess what, the overwhelmig majority of all the bloodshed since the dawn of time is the direct consequence of following “intuition”, not checked by rationality and intelligence. Don’t throw rocks in your glass house…
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Image_of_God
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But you have been repeatedly told that your answers are contradictory and philosophical (and perhaps logically) unsound.
First, let us establish what you mean by evidence. Then I will answer.Do you people really actually believe there is as much evidence for moon landings as there is for the virgin birth?
If you persist in asking for this, you have missed the entire reason why I opened this thread and which you continuously prove for me. Lack of evidence does not equal lack of truth. The presence of “evidence” does not mean something is true. It is not an uncommon thing that evidence has been used to defend later proven illogical conclusions. Evidence is merely a help. It does not prove anything beyond doubt. Trustworthy eyewitnesses are often times more important than any kind of evidence.
Asking for proof of someone’s birth, especially two thousand years ago is absolutely nonsensical. Why should their be any evidence of a virgin birth outside of eyewitnesses?
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AlbertBall
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I am not bragging, i am pointing out to you that i am qualified in science, and you clearly are not. This mean you do not understand scientific evidence and i do. This is also blatantly obvious in your posts.
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AlbertBall
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Well if you would care to read the last few pages you would see that is EXACTLY what WSP is claiming.
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