on the tongue or in the hand?

[deogratias]

Furthermore, the article fails to mention what the teachings of the Council of Trent were regarding the Most Holy Sacrament

Well that’s not true, if you had read the entire article you would see it makes several references to the Council of Trent and in particular it says:

In general it is of Divine right, that the laity should as a rule receive only from the consecrated hand of the priest (cf. Trent, Sess. XIII, cap. viii).

Even then note that the words say, “as a rule” which means there might be exceptions.

 

[misericordie]

My favorite Feast of all the whole year is the feast of Corpus Christi.

 

[catholicbudgie]

deogratias:

I have seen the term “Eucharistic Ministers” used in several of the posts here and Redemptionis Sacramentum is quite explicit in stating that the only persons who are Eucharistic Ministers are Priests and Bishops (the term refers to those who can confect the Eucharist).

No disagreement with you. It’s just the human habit of poor language. When most of us, myself included, use “Eucharistic Ministers” of “EM” or even “EEM” we mean an extraordinary eucharistic minister, or ministers of holy communion, as opposed to receiving the sacrament from a priest or a deacon, it’s just that we’re being lazy and trying to avoid syllables!

I really thing splitting hairs over the definitions gets right off the topic of the original post.

 

[deogratias]

I understand the why and I understand who you mean but since Redemptionis Sacramentum is so EMPHATIC that no other term be used except EMHC (Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion), I guess they think it is really important and not just to be dismissed for whatever reason.

[156.] This function is to be understood strictly according to the name by which it is known, that is to say, that of extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, and not “special minister of Holy Communion” nor “extraordinary minister of the Eucharist” nor “special minister of the Eucharist”, by which names the meaning of this function is unnecessarily and improperly broadened.

You are correct that it has become a bad habit for many but I feel that those of us who know better now and know how the Holy See feels about it, should promote the correct use here on the forum and in our parishes.

 

[misericordie]

deogratias:

I understand the why and I understand who you mean but since Redemptionis Sacramentum is so EMPHATIC that no other term be used except EMHC (Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion), I guess they think it is really important and not just to be dismissed for whatever reason.

You are correct that it has become a bad habit for many but I feel that those of us who know better now and know how the Holy See feels about it, should promote the correct use here on the forum and in our parishes.

Yes I totally agree. However, I am sure some liberal Pastors will continue doing their own thing and of course the status quo of no Prelate or superior will CORRECT them, and admonish them. SAD.

 

[deogratias]

You may be correct, but can I ask you a few things.

Have you read Redemptionis Sacramentum cover to cover?

Can you identify any abuses in your parish that are covered in that document?

If so, have you done what the document charges you to do?

 

[misericordie]

deogratias:

You may be correct, but can I ask you a few things.

Have you read Redemptionis Sacramentum cover to cover?

Can you identify any abuses in your parish that are covered in that document?

If so, have you done what the document charges you to do?

Actually, I state all this because I STILL see the same old nonsense, as if no document EVER came out of Rome. Today I went to see a priest (he is NOT the Pastor) who is very orthodox, and a good friend, and well since I knew he was celebrating the 5:30PM Mass(“vigil”) at Saint Cecilia’s Church(a Redemptorist parish) in MAHATTAN: New York City, located in the boundaries of the Archdiocese of New York, I attended the “mass” there. I still saw the crystal/glass “chalices”, I still saw the “protestant type gospel music”, I still saw two Extraordinary ministers of Communion distributing, though there were few people, I still saw the altar girls and boys(all through the mass talking and joking in albs with a red priest’s cincture around the alb, and yes. This poor priest, I know he feels so umcomfortable “offering” mass there, but he is a redemptorist “in-residence” and he has to go by the pastor’s rules(these two redemptorists are as different as water and oil). I VOWED I will never step foot in that parish until there is a NEW PASTOR, even if it takes years. Hence, the PASTOR KNOWS what Cardinal Arinze’s document says, he just does NOT care.
By the way, some think the Jesuits are liberal(though I have met a few very orthodox real ones), the redemptorist congregation is MORE liberal, it seems all the redemptorist parishes I go to there HAS to be holding hands during the Our Father, glass wine cup type chalices, and the feminists run the parishes. These guys are still stuck in the late 1960’s and especially the 1970’s. I DON’T GO TO ANY REDEMPTORIST PARISH ANYMORE: some have an agenda(I have met many women in that particular parish who favor women’s ordination to the priesthood, I wonder if some of these pastors are catoring to their agenda: out of one or two altar boys, there are MOSTLY altar girls in that efeminate parish. I am so tired of all the liberal nonsense. I ONLY go to real ROMAN Parishes and a real Roman Catholic one here in Manhattan I go to is: Saint Paul’s run by the great and orthodox Institute of the Incarnate Word Fathers and Sisters: these guys have cassocks, are in their twenties and thirties, are Thomistic, and allow NO!!! Nonsense and the Pastor only has ALTAR BOYS(the latest vatican documents sate that EVEN if a Bishop permitts altar girls, he cannot order a PASTOR or tell him to have altar girls in his parish, it is the PASTOR’S SAY.
This group is reall great and they have many parishes in the USA now, note their web-site is being re-constructed, but should be back by August 20th. www.iveamerica.org

 

[deogratias]

Well thanks for the rant but you still did not answer my 3 questions

*.

Have you read Redemptionis Sacramentum cover to cover?*
Can you identify any abuses in your parish that are covered in that document? *
You did mention a lot of things that were covered in the document but you also mentioned things that annoy you which are not covered in the document.
*

If so, have you done what the document charges you to do?*
Based on what you said in your post, I am assuming you have not done what the document reccommends regarding abuses.

 

[deogratias]

these guys have cassocks, are in their twenties and thirties, are Thomistic, and allow…

 This group is reall great and they have many parishes in the USA now

I assume you mean priests by “these guys” -

 

[Julian_Peters]

Thank you to all those who have participated in this discussion. This thread is now closed.