On what basis was St Joan of Arc canonized?

[D_M]

As to your first sentence, chas ve’sholom (God forbid).

I would never worship Jesus, or Krishna, or Buddha, or any other nonJewish deity. And it is because God warned the Jewish people against that in Deuteronomy 13. If you read it, you will find Jesus described to a tee. Jesus was a test from God, to see if the Jewish people would truly follow the One God or not. we passed the test, which is why the belief in Jesus was given then to the Gentiles.

I worry about my soul from a Jewish perspective. What Christianity thinks has absolutely no bearing on that whatsoever.

I would rather die than surrender my faith in the One God to a nonJewish manmade religious system of ANY kind.

I think this thread is going off topic… so to stop the moderators from intervention I will simply state the following:

The only contemporary image that was ever made of Joan of Arc depicts her in women’s clothing with long hair, contrary to later depictions of her as a short-haired cross-dresser, although this image may not have been correct.

Now back to this:

Jesus is obviously not described to a tee by Deutoronomy 13 because you know it states “let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, 'and let us serve them,” and Jesus never said anything of the sort, the only God He told people to worship was the same One who had revealed Himself to Moses and who was His Father.

We worship God through Jesus, with Jesus and in Jesus, who is our mediator between Him and us,. What we do to Jesus we also do to His Father because He is one with His Father (John 10). If you refuse to believe in Jesus then you also refuse to believe in God; in my eyes you are comparable to an atheist on that account.

1 John 2:22-24 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father.

And speaking of man-made religion… which prophet was it who came along or what revelation were you given that instructed you in this master narrative you have concocted of God sending Jesus to the gentiles to prepare them for the Jewish messiah? I mean even if it were true that the messiah had not come, by what presumption do you make to speak on Providence’s behalf and declare this is in fact (and not something different) what God intended when you have not received such revelation yourself?

 

[childofmary1143]

Let’s just discuss about St. Joan of Arc. This thread isn’t about Jewish salvation or what must one do to be saved. Let’s have a little focus.

 

[LilyM]

Bagels, or Jewish songs, or Fiddler on the Roof…

I can’t help but think how similar Catholics and Jews are when I hear that song ‘Traditioooooooooon …’ It’s what both our faiths are all about :yup:

Definition:

On a happier note…I wrote a rap about my beautiful little patron Saint…Jehanne Romée. (Which is more correct that d’Arc)

I thought Romee was her mother’s maiden name

On another topic, the rap is funny.

 

[HashemEchad]

Lily: You asked this, so I should respond.

Jesus was most definitely a test for the Jewish people. Because of his new religion, his followers developed a new belief system which had beliefs that run directly opposed to the Torah. It might not be obvious to you, but it sure is to religious Jews (and even nonreligious Jews!) The most glaring evidence is this: throughout time, ever since Christianity began, whenever a Jew decides to believe in Jesus, he STOPS being a Jew, religiously.

Any further discussion should probably be in a new thread, or taken to PM.

 

[Lapell]

I realize that Christianity teaches that Jesus is for everyone. However, Judaism teaches that the only reason why God permitted both Christianity and Islam to develop was to give Gentiles a way to believe in the principles of ethical monotheism without the need to become Jews.

Remember that at the time Christianity arose, most Gentiles were idol worshippers/polytheists. The concept of One God, and a Messiah-deliverer, at that time were solely Jewish concepts.

By giving Gentiles not one but two religions by which they could come to adopt the Jewish principles of ethical monotheism, this paved the way for the true Messiah when he comes.

Now, when he comes, instead of just Jews understanding the “why” of his arrival, everyone will!

Ah yes, what Judaism teaches… and you think that God gave the Torah to the Israelites just for their own sake, I mean the sake of the Sons of Israel? Or maybe the Israelites did try to bring outsiders to the Judaic faith for a while (way before the times of, say, Hillel and Shammai), but they might have successfully drawn so few that they refrained from trying after a while?