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It was mentioned on another thread that a common misunderstanding about the Catholic Mass is that the sacrifice is enacted anew each time. I was wondering if anyone can explain the “once for all” sacrifice.
That’s really good. It reminded me of anothr verse implying a perpetual sacrifice:There’s also this quote:
Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb which was slain from the beginning of the world.
This could imply that the Sacrifice itself is perpetual which makes offering it up perpetually make even more sense.
Hebrews 9:11-12 talks about Christ entering a tabernacle not made with hands–meaning in heaven–carrying not the blood of some sacrificed animal but rather His own Blood. Thus we see the sacrifice of Calvary has in some way been taken into Heaven and made eternal, and the unbloody sacrifices of the Mass are simply places where the eternal sacrifice enters time and space again. (This is my interpretation. Somebody please correct me if this is wrong.)Each Eucharist simply puts us again in the presence of the once and for all sacrifice offerred by Jesus to the Father. The Mass is not a different sacrifice, nor is it a multiplied sacrifice. It is the same sacrifice. It acts like a time-machine to put us in touch with the once-for-all event of our salvation.
That sounds reasonable to me. Jesus’ one sacrifice is eternal (and eternal, by definition, means ‘outside of time’). Each Mass is a time and place where we temporal creatures are able to intersect with that one sacrifice.Hebrews 9:11-12 talks about Christ entering a tabernacle not made with hands–meaning in heaven–carrying not the blood of some sacrificed animal but rather His own Blood. Thus we see the sacrifice of Calvary has in some way been taken into Heaven and made eternal, and the unbloody sacrifices of the Mass are simply places where the eternal sacrifice enters time and space again. (This is my interpretation. Somebody please correct me if this is wrong.)
- Liberian
Nice rhetoric, but what does it mean concretely?During the words of consecration, not only does trans-substatiation occurs, but the same “Once for All” sacrafice is re-presented, trancending through all of time and appears at the hands of the priest.
Transubstantiation is not a mircale; nor is the reception of any grace received via the Sacraments? A miracle is, by definition, a visible phenomena. Not all supernatural occurences are miraculous.Two micacles for the price of one…
It means that Jesus, was able to hold is own body and blood, in the form of Bread and Wine, in his own two hands the night before his crucifixion. It means that he not only knew what was going to happen the next day, he was willing to use trans-substantiation as a method to impart his grace to us in perpetuity. It means that we are able to humble ourselves before the real, true presence (body, blood, soul and divinity) of our Lord and take him bodily into our body. True food, true drink.Nice rhetoric, but what does it mean concretely?
PO-TAAA-Toe … PO-TAHHH-ToeTransubstantiation is not a mircale; nor is the reception of any grace received via the Sacraments? A miracle is, by definition, a visible phenomena. Not all supernatural occurences are miraculous.
I’m fascinated.quote: Grace and Glory
When Christ said, “Do this in remembrance of me” (Luke 22:19), he echoed the command of God concerning the Passover: “This day shall be a day of remembrance for you. You shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD, throughout your generations you shall observe it as a perpetual obedience” (Exodus 12:14). The Hebrew word for remembrance, zikaron, means that the events of the past are actually being brought to the present moment, so we who remember the events of the past are able to participate in them in a certain way. That is why one of the questions Jews ask on the Passover is, “Why is this night different from all other nights?” not “Why was that night different from all other nights?”
In Greek, the word for remembrance used in Luke’s Gospel is anamnesis, a word which also did not mean merely remembering something. It had connotations of bringing a transcendent reality into the present moment.
.The Hebrew word for remembrance, zikaron, means that the events of the past are actually being brought to the present moment, so we who remember the events of the past are able to participate in them in a certain way
What can one say? :That is why one of the questions Jews ask on the Passover is, “Why is this night different from all other nights?” not “Why was that night different from all other nights?”
.In Greek, the word for remembrance used in Luke’s Gospel is anamnesis, a word which also did not mean merely remembering something. It had connotations of bringing a transcendent reality into the present moment
This would be the doctrrine of High Protestantism; it’s got nothing to do with sacrifice. Catholic teaching is that the Mass is an actual sacrifice; not that we merely receive sacrificual flesh.It means that Jesus, was able to hold is own body and blood, in the form of Bread and Wine, in his own two hands the night before his crucifixion. It means that he not only knew what was going to happen the next day, he was willing to use trans-substantiation as a method to impart his grace to us in perpetuity. It means that we are able to humble ourselves before the real, true presence (body, blood, soul and divinity) of our Lord and take him bodily into our body. True food, true drink.
I find this utterly unconvincing.That is why one of the questions Jews ask on the Passover is, “Why is this night different from all other nights?” not “Why was that night different from all other nights?”
Reen - In fact, that’s exactly the way Mother Angelica defined the “once for all sacrifice” for a caller several weeks on one of her “classics” re-runs on EWTN.I suppose another way of looking at the
sacrifice, would be that Christ died once, for all,
but “enables” us to be at Calvary with Him, in
a perpetual offering of the “once, for all” sacrifice.
Christ doesn’t “die” again, in the Mass, but His
body and blood are offered to the Father with
the same eternal value of that “once, for all” sacrifice.
Perhaps it’s because God knows how we are
“put together” as human beings. It’s my own
belief that human beings *need *to offer sacrifice
to God…a religious “instinct”? - and God makes
provision for this need, by allowing us to offer
Him the sacrifice of His Son, in perpetuity, in this
world.
It’s as if the limitations of the human ‘horizon’ are
such that this sacrifice, rather than being “contained”
20 centuries ago, can be made ‘available’ to us,
in perpetuity, in this world.
[It would also be in keeping with the Temple
sacrifices, in Judaism. Why not one lamb
sacrificed? Why sacrifices, day after day?
Generation after generation?]
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