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Thanks.
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Flyingg
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There are two types of ayats in Quran, those descended on Mohamed when he was in medina ( they are named ayat madaniya), those types of ayats promote violence and killings in the cause of Allah, other types of ayats are the ones descended on Mohamed when he was in Mekkah ( ayat makiya, those usualy are tender, peaceful ayats that promote acceptance).
Extremist muslims count a lot on medina ayats, unlike moderate muslims.
Saudi arabia is Sunni and they have as much or even more strict laws than Iran.
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MontChevalier
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Wrong. This has been going on for 1200 to 1300yrs.
And wow, the Coptic Christians are fleeing Egypt?
That’s horrible…But, I knew it was gonna happen. It gives me a reason to say to my liberal friends “I told you so.”
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jakasaki
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The Sunny Shia split started in 656 CE - whatever the math in years are - it’s up there…Wrong. This has been going on for 1200 to 1300yrs.
And wow, the Coptic Christians are fleeing Egypt?
That’s horrible…But, I knew it was gonna happen. It gives me a reason to say to my liberal friends “I told you so.”
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jakasaki
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Yes… the Copts are fleeing Egypt - It’s been all over the news…And wow, the Coptic Christians are fleeing Egypt?
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Leaving Egypt by the hundred of thousands since the turmoil in the ME.
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MontChevalier
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The Muslims probably think that the rising estimates of immigrants from Egypt might influence the already unstable economies of non-muslim countries to try and make them poorer, so that they could move on doing God knows what.
(This is the view I’m getting from looking at it militarily)
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Sam_777
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Correct but not in the case of Apostasy & Jihad, jakasaki has provided authentic hadiths supporting that…
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RICKY_RASPER
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Islam = Conversion by Coercion!
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schaick
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the problem here is that it hinges on the word** innocent**.
Apostates in the eyes of a Muslim are not innocent. They are denouncing Mohammad and the Quran. They are guilty of blasphemy.
You should really read the Quran, Hadith and Shariah Laws.
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FaithJoy
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I’m concerned for the Christians in Muslim countries. It seems as though Satan is taking hold in those countries. It doesn’t seem there are moderate Muslims anymore,but all extreme hating Islamic supporters/worshipers. Where is God in the Islamic faith anymore where hate and killing is the objective toward their neighbors,mainly Christians?
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Bezant
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I’m not sure why this for you the ugly side of Islam, and not the uglier side of the Evil Iranian Empire of Ahmadinejad.
I’m not sure why this for you the ugly side of Islam, and not the uglier side of the Evil Iranian Empire of Ahmadinejad.
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jakasaki
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Apparently you haven’t read my posts…
Death is the ruling for apostates of islam. It is not just in Iran but an islamic ruling …
I’ve also stated / posted from islamic sites and they agree - apostates from islam should be killed / executed.
So in closing… yes… this is the ugly side of islam.
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Crdl2Grv
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Because Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not the head of the Iranian state. The head of state in Iran is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. His official title is Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran. If you don’t want the actions of the Iranian government to be associated with Islam, perhaps you should take up your argument with the “Assembly of Experts,” which is the council of 86 lifelong scholars of Islam who run the country. (You should also maybe talk to the people who decided to name their country “The Islamic Republic of Iran.”)
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Bezant
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A Islamic ruling. There’s more than one opinion on how the punishment for apostasy should be applied.
Did you check sites that said otherwise?
But you don’t consider it a political problem either.
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Bezant
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Ahmedinejad is the face of Iran.
The problem IS associated with Islam, but this is also a political and civil rights problem.
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jakasaki
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Wonderful Bezant -
Please state your sources of where I did not cite islmaic sources,
**Every apostate has 3 attempts to return to islam
If they don’t do that - well then it’s death **
Please state & cite your source for such argument - death for apostates is in their ahadith & sunna.
Please state what I missed
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John_Paul_Jones
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As for a punishment it seems to be only one application - the death penalty.
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They will be determining whether he was a Muslim between the ages of 15 and 19 – after the age of accountability – and then 19 when he became a Christian,” he explains. “Then they will forward their results on to the Branch 27 of the Supreme Court, which will have the final decision on whether he is executed or not.”
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MontChevalier
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No, Islam = Conversion by the sword. Coercion means “To be persuaded.” And cutting a person’s head off to persuade someone isn’t the same.
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Sam_777
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Bezant,**
Any opinion is worthless when there are direct authentic hadiths that jakasaki pointed before, simply apostasy means death in Islam, anyway, here are they again:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
“Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:
"*…Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu’adh asked, “Who is this (man)?” Abu Muisa said, “He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.” Then Abu Muisa requested Mu’adh to sit down but Mu’adh said, “I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) *and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed…”
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Sahih Muslim, Book 016, Number 4152:
“'Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community.”
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GaryTaylor
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Right we got that.
Right we got that.
Were waiting for you to explain. Vague statements often fall on deaf ears and leave an incorrect lingering message…HOW SO is this “also” a civil rights issue which has anything to do with with anything, except Islam?
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