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The better question is, does Scripture list any exceptions?
If so, will you cite the passages in which those you query after are excepted?
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If so, will you cite the passages in which those you query after are excepted?
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The biblical word for “sin” is hamartia. It literally means to “miss the mark.”
Yes, we are talking about a different religion, and a different spirit, and a different word definition.
My definition is taken from a Greek lexicon.
Where do you get your definition?
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tqualey
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Farsight001,
This is the gamesmanship element that makes everything so difficult.
God bless
This is the gamesmanship element that makes everything so difficult.
God bless
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Farsight001
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Are you even literate? I already said that you ask questions because you want to redirect and hide the fact that you’re not answering questions asked of you. so no, I did not say that you ask questions because you don’t want the answer. I said you ask questions you don’t actually care to get an answer to.
Can you guys please stop feeding this joker? Seriously. You’re only encouraging him to act like a five year old.
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tqualey
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Hi, Farsight001,
You know… I was starting to wonder the same thing myself…
Not really! 
This is just a game that is being played - and it is getting old. Being found out is the only thing that will get him to move on to another thread - annoying others is what he is feeding off of… and my guess is that he has sucked up enough (for the moment) and will just lay low. But, don’t worry - I am quite confident he will return to this thread because staying gone would be like withdrawal!
God bless
You know… I was starting to wonder the same thing myself…
Not really! This is just a game that is being played - and it is getting old. Being found out is the only thing that will get him to move on to another thread - annoying others is what he is feeding off of… and my guess is that he has sucked up enough (for the moment) and will just lay low. But, don’t worry - I am quite confident he will return to this thread because staying gone would be like withdrawal!
God bless
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PRmerger
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I don’t think this is a primary source, karaleigh. Or was there a link on your link that had a primary source?
Reading a site that says, “Martin Luther said _____” makes the skeptic in me question its authenticity.
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Sig
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And…?
You’re frightened by that? You don’t like that? What? Is there a point you’d like to make?
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Can you answer your fellow Catholic’s question (post 547) from Scripture? Yes, or no?There is no reason to assume that this is “the better question”. It’s simply *another *question.
And it’s a question that is not supported by Scripture, ironically. For there is* no where* in Scripture that says we must look to Scripture to base all of our theology.
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PRmerger
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Actually, Sig, in the interest of polite discourse, it’s proper to answer questions posed earlier first.
Could you answer this, please? (I believe post #417 comes before post #547.)
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PRmerger
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Also, I don’t believe this question (posed twice) was ever answered.
Again, these posts are pridian to #547.
Hey, Sig!
Kudos to you for sticking around and being the lone voice of OSAS.
Could you please provide what error you believe the Church made in discerning the canon of Scripture, as you indicate that you believe the Church is fallible in this regard.
Thanks.
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Please note that the above 2 questions are on topic, in that Bible verses are being quoted to support OSAS. However, they are, in the end, only one poster’s fallible interpretation.
The above questions speak to the need to affirm if there is indeed an entity that can infallibly discern whether the concept of OSAS is Scriptural or not.
If there is such a concept of infallibility (and, clearly for any Christian there is), then one needs to consider why he would follow a fallible man (preacher/pastor/church) vs an entity which contains this charism of infallibility. (Which, again, is a charism that all Christians must acknowledge exists, unless they want to proffer where Matthew or Mark or Luke or John etc etc erred.)
The above questions speak to the need to affirm if there is indeed an entity that can infallibly discern whether the concept of OSAS is Scriptural or not.
If there is such a concept of infallibility (and, clearly for any Christian there is), then one needs to consider why he would follow a fallible man (preacher/pastor/church) vs an entity which contains this charism of infallibility. (Which, again, is a charism that all Christians must acknowledge exists, unless they want to proffer where Matthew or Mark or Luke or John etc etc erred.)
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Hi, PRmerger,
Absolutely no reason at all.
The Bible tells us that Paul orally taught the young Catholic Church and had them pass on Oral Tradition. This was hundreds of years before the Canon of the Bible was developed - by the Catholic Church. Here is an interesting quote:
"All of the Word of God was at one time passed on orally…Sacred Tradition. Eventually, some of Sacred Tradition was written down…this became Sacred Scripture, which is written tradition. However, Scripture itself tells us that not all of the things that Jesus said and did were written down. And listen to what Paul says about “tradition”:
2 Thes 2:15, “So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” Traditions! Traditions taught by word of mouth, in other words, oral tradition, and traditions taught by letter. Traditions which they are being told to “stand firm and hold to”. Sacred Scripture and
1 Cor 11:2, “I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.” The Corinthians are being commended by Paul because they maintain the traditions that he passed on to them. Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
2 Tim 2:2: “and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.” What we have here in 2 Timothy is an instance, in Scripture, of Paul commanding the passing on of oral tradition." And, here is the link: catholicscomehome.org/answers-scripture.php
When you consider that all 40,000+ Protestant denominations must use the Catholic Bible that they then abridged - it is a bit awkward. Imagine having to condemn the group that gave you the object you are now worshiping as though it were God Himself!
What makes it comical is that in their search for their OWN TRADITIONS, they have had to immortalize Luther and Calvin and the others who were early in the Revolt. So, by throwning virtually everything out of the window - they must search for traditions they can call their own. One of these traditions of men is OSAS that tries to manipulate God while making false statements like someone was never saved to begin with - as if they know the final disposition of anyone’s soul…
God bless
Absolutely no reason at all.
The Bible tells us that Paul orally taught the young Catholic Church and had them pass on Oral Tradition. This was hundreds of years before the Canon of the Bible was developed - by the Catholic Church. Here is an interesting quote:
"All of the Word of God was at one time passed on orally…Sacred Tradition. Eventually, some of Sacred Tradition was written down…this became Sacred Scripture, which is written tradition. However, Scripture itself tells us that not all of the things that Jesus said and did were written down. And listen to what Paul says about “tradition”:
2 Thes 2:15, “So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” Traditions! Traditions taught by word of mouth, in other words, oral tradition, and traditions taught by letter. Traditions which they are being told to “stand firm and hold to”. Sacred Scripture and
1 Cor 11:2, “I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.” The Corinthians are being commended by Paul because they maintain the traditions that he passed on to them. Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
2 Tim 2:2: “and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.” What we have here in 2 Timothy is an instance, in Scripture, of Paul commanding the passing on of oral tradition." And, here is the link: catholicscomehome.org/answers-scripture.php
When you consider that all 40,000+ Protestant denominations must use the Catholic Bible that they then abridged - it is a bit awkward. Imagine having to condemn the group that gave you the object you are now worshiping as though it were God Himself!
What makes it comical is that in their search for their OWN TRADITIONS, they have had to immortalize Luther and Calvin and the others who were early in the Revolt. So, by throwning virtually everything out of the window - they must search for traditions they can call their own. One of these traditions of men is OSAS that tries to manipulate God while making false statements like someone was never saved to begin with - as if they know the final disposition of anyone’s soul…
God bless
There is no reason to assume that this is “the better question”. It’s simply *another *question.
And it’s a question that is not supported by Scripture, ironically. For there is* no where* in Scripture that says we must look to Scripture to base all of our theology.
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I’m sorry, perhaps I should have been clearer. Can you answer from scripture his question concerning the exceptions to the idea that all have sinned.
I’m well aware of the meaning of “all,” and the context driven aspect of the Greek, and I have already said that my statement was “tongue-in-cheek,” but the question raised in post 547 about the exceptions are interesting.
What exceptions to the notion that every person who’s ever lived has sinned can you cite from Scripture without having to go to extreme contortions of language, and fallacious appeals to emotion?
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No I can’t. Can you? Please tell me where they erred?
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Sig
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I will answer that when you show me where I stated the church erred in her recognition of the canon.
Please include the post #(s).
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