COPLAND 3:
Now you say this I was thinking about the reference to the book of life in that passage. Do you not know that it is mentioned in the context I was referring to in other places?
Which Book of Life? There’s more than one, you know. What “other places”?
Citing Scripture does not seem to effect your opinion since you seem to brush off and disregard everyone who gives you good citations.
First of all, I haven’t “brushed off” anything. I’ve responded to each verse presented. The problem is that not each verse means what you’ve been told it does. For instance, somebody cited a verse, claiming it says we can lose our salvation, when salvation isn’t even mentioned in that passage. Another person cited a passage from Romans to try to show that we can lose our salvation, but the passage isn’t about our salvation, but about God’s plan to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles.
Second, if you want to talk about “brushing off”, for all of the verses I’ve cited, all I’ve gotten is “Well, that’s just your interpretation”, “You’re taking verses out of context”, and “you’re just twisting verses to make scripture contradict itself”.
How are those responses not “brushing off”?
Ps 69:28 is an example of blotting out of the book of life.
Yes…and? Like I said, there are diffierent “Books of Life” mentioned in scripture. This has nothing to do with losing salvation, but with being killed.
With you I feel like Im wasting my time, but here you go
I know exactly how you feel. I can’t help but get the feeling that, unless I fall to my knees and throw my hands around your knees and thank you for showing me the light, you’re just not interested.
2 Peter 3:17 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
What does this verse have to do with losing one’s salvation?
1 Cor 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!
Always a good idea to read the whole passage before you post a verse. This is about falling into sin because you’re overconfident in your own holiness, not about losing your salvation. In fact, the very next verse indicates that God won’t let us fall away.
I’ve noticed people giving many examples from Scripture and you simply brush it off by acting as if it has nothing to do with the conversation, which is making this discussion with you fruitless, even to the point of agreeing to disagree.
Many of the verses you’ve presented, when examined in the context of the passage and chapter they come from, have nothing to do with the loss of salvation. If you believe I’ve “brushed off” any verses you’ve presented, please tell me which ones you feel I didn’t address.
Also, why is it that any time I present a verse, you respond with the childish and intellectually lazy “Oh, well that’s just your interpretation” but then, you get mad because I don’t accept your interpretation?
pablope:
Hebrews 10:
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God…29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? …36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
Note especially v36…“You will”…meaning in the future when you persevere…not “You shall” even if you do not persevere.
As I pointed out to copland, it’s always a good idea to read the whole passage or chapter before you post a verse. Interesting use of ellipses, by the way. Very telling what you chose to leave out.
In this case, we see that Paul is speaking rhetorically and does not include himself or saved believers (a fact he makes clear in v 39).
He also points out that he is talking about those who live a lifestyle of willfully disobedient sin, which, of course 1 John tells us is the mark of one who is not saved in the first place.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either…22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
As I pointed out before, this passage refers to God’s plan to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles, not to the loss of salvation.
lulu:
Im curious as to how you would interpret these few verses below. They are quoted by Christ himself in the NT ( Protestant ) KJB
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
These above verses are clear, plain and simple to interpret and understand.
I agree. They’re clear, plain, and simple to interpret and understand. So what’s the problem?
