Once saved always saved ?

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I would like to ask a current or former person that believe(s) in osas

How many sins must one commit to know they are not saved or how big of a sin(s)

My whives cousin has been married 2x and currently has a “boyfriend” and she is “Christian”
My whives other cousin also has a live in “boyfriend” and she is “saved”
These are only 2 of hundreds of examples I know

This is very confusing
 
I am more than certain that there are many learned individuals on this site that could more than answer your question…but…I respectively suggest that you research the Protestant Reformation. sola fide…faith alone…I believe was one of the arguments regarding salvation associated with the Luther’s 95 theses…Once again…I am not elequantly expressing our position as Catholics on this…but do yourself a favor and , assuming you are Catholic…read about ‘being saved’ that is a protestant expression used by many of my southern fellow Christians who happen to be Protestant…As Catholics, as it is my understanding…we do not believe in some majic moment when we are ‘saved’…if that were the case we could do whatever and assume our place in Heaven regardlless of ongoing activity…I can’t address you family members who are divorced/remarried…once again…are you…and these relatives Catholic…? We don’t believe in once saved always saved…I am a work in progress. Frequent reception of the Sacraments, (attending Mass regularly)…and trying to let my daily behavior reflect my faith and who I am. To be sure, to be Catholic is to be counter cultural in this time in history., as I am sure it has always been …but it seems more than ever now…I am certain that one of the more knowledgeable members will explain this in a great deal more eloquant manner…
 
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I am more than certain that there are many learned individuals on this site that could more than answer your question…but…I respectively suggest that you research the Protestant Reformation. sola fide…faith alone…I believe was one of the arguments regarding salvation associated with the Luther’s 95 theses…Once again…I am not elequantly expressing our position as Catholics on this…but do yourself a favor and , assuming you are Catholic…read about ‘being saved’ that is a protestant expression used by many of my southern fellow Christians who happen to be Protestant…As Catholics, as it is my understanding…we do not believe in some majic moment when we are ‘saved’…if that were the case we could do whatever and assume our place in Heaven regardlless of ongoing activity…I can’t address you family members who are divorced/remarried…once again…are you…and these relatives Catholic…? We don’t believe in once saved always saved…I am a work in progress. Frequent reception of the Sacraments, (attending Mass regularly)…and trying to let my daily behavior reflect my faith and who I am. To be sure, to be Catholic is to be counter cultural in this time in history., as I am sure it has always been …but it seems more than ever now…I am certain that one of the more knowledgeable members will explain this in a great deal more eloquant manner…
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I think you answered the question rather well myself. I would only add that we are “saved” by Gods grace and Jesus’ decision when we face him and answer for the lives we’ve lived.
 
Be a sinner and sin boldly. No sin will separate us from the Lamb even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day. - Martin Luther
 
I used to believe OSAS. However, I’m now convinced that it is false.
Psalm 69:28 points to the fact that one’s name can be blotted off the book of the righteous.
There are many other verses in the Bible that also explain it.
It’s a difficult topic, requiring much study to make a decision, since we know that one is saved by faith. The bible seems to also say that we can lose faith.
 
LittleScoty said:
I think you answered the question rather well myself. I would only add that we are “saved” by Gods grace and Jesus’ decision when we face him and answer for the lives we’ve lived.
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If we are only certain about our salvation upon judgement day, when we answer to God, what benefit does it give us to lead godly lives and believe in him? Doesn’t it seem capricious?
I think that there are definite standards about salvation. It’s obviously through faith. But one can be sure they are saved if their faith produces good fruit (cf. James).
 
luthier93 said:
If we are only certain about our salvation upon judgement day, when we answer to God, what benefit does it give us to lead godly lives and believe in him? Doesn’t it seem capricious?
I think that there are definite standards about salvation. It’s obviously through faith. But one can be sure they are saved if their faith produces good fruit (cf. James).
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Because we will answer to him and because He told us to and because Mary told us to do whatever he tells us to do.
 
LittleScoty said:
Because we will answer to him and because He told us to and because Mary told us to do whatever he tells us to do.
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For what will we answer to him? Our salvation, or our lives? Is there, in your opinion, a standard?
 
LittleScoty said:
Because we will answer to him and because He told us to and because Mary told us to do whatever he tells us to do.
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Is that applicable to everyone in every situation…? I mean, I’m not a servant in charge of wine…

We listen because He was sent by God and God Himself told us to listen to Him, not because Mary gave a divine order at Cana…
 
Darryl_B said:
Be a sinner and sin boldly. No sin will separate us from the Lamb even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day. - Martin Luther
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Taken out of context. Lutherans reject the teaching of perseverance of the saints.
From the Augsburg Confession
. They [our churches] condemn the Anabaptists, who deny that those once justified can lose the Holy Ghost.
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Jon
 
EIF5A said:
Is that applicable to everyone in every situation…? I mean, I’m not a servant in charge of wine…

We listen because He was sent by God and God Himself told us to listen to Him, not because Mary gave a divine order at Cana…
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True, but she does provide us some good advice here. She was, and is, a great example for us.
Jon
 
EIF5A said:
Is that applicable to everyone in every situation…? I mean, I’m not a servant in charge of wine…

We listen because He was sent by God and God Himself told us to listen to Him, not because Mary gave a divine order at Cana…
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I would agree with Jon here…I think many Catholics put way too much emphasis on Mary, but there’s not doubt she was a saint and the mother of Jesus. If she did something right, it’s probable we should do likewise.
 
luthier93 said:
If we are only certain about our salvation upon judgement day, when we answer to God, what benefit does it give us to lead godly lives and believe in him? Doesn’t it seem capricious?
I think that there are definite standards about salvation. It’s obviously through faith. But one can be sure they are saved if their faith produces good fruit (cf. James).
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Now this amazes me. Okay not that I disagree we are judged by the fruit we produce. But my question is you are saying you can BE SURE you are saved if your faith produces good fruit.

But what if you are so sure, but God sees it different then You do? St Paul says the same thing. He says he has No Idea is he is saved or not. Now if St Paul who was a Apostle of Christ and gave up his life for him, what makes you think you could be so sure.

Just wondering is all.
 
Darryl_B said:
Be a sinner and sin boldly. No sin will separate us from the Lamb even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day. - Martin Luther
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Wow! I can see why I don’t follow Luther, thats for sure. Kinda in dirrect conflict with the word of God, don’t ya think.

What about St Mark. You know the scripture that if you speak against the Holy Spirit its unforgivable.

God says if you sin against the Holy Spirit, Luther says NO SIN. I think I will stick with the word of God.
 
rinnie said:
Wow! I can see why I don’t follow Luther, thats for sure. Kinda in dirrect conflict with the word of God, don’t ya think.

What about St Mark. You know the scripture that if you speak against the Holy Spirit its unforgivable.

God says if you sin against the Holy Spirit, Luther says NO SIN. I think I will stick with the word of God.
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Again, Rinnie, the quote is out of context.

Jon
 
Adamski said:
I would like to ask a current or former person that believe(s) in osas

How many sins must one commit to know they are not saved or how big of a sin(s)

My whives cousin has been married 2x and currently has a “boyfriend” and she is “Christian”
My whives other cousin also has a live in “boyfriend” and she is “saved”
These are only 2 of hundreds of examples I know

This is very confusing
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I was a believer in OSAS most of my life.

They believe Christ Righteousness is imputed on you and you are DECLARED righteous not made righteous. Thus once you say the sinners prayer you are set, get out of hell free card obtained! It is not about sin since they do not believe in venial vs mortal sin. They believe that all sins are equal. A white lie is equal to genocide in Gods eyes.

It is not biblical and just a Protestant tradition.

Many evangelicals believe OSAS on the surface, and that’s how it is presented in rally’s and church, but they believe a modified version when it comes down to it.

They would say if you really were sincere in your heart about your faith, then it will be reflected in your works, so a horrible sinner was never saved to begin with.

I personally know that the mentality of "god will forgive me so i can do this or that sin"is very common among evangelical laity.
 
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