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[David_Paul]

Syn kobiety:

It appears that the dirigistic model is not liberal at all:

from Wikipedia:
Dirigisme flourished under the center-right governments of Charles de Gaulle and Georges Pompidou. In those times, the policy was viewed as a middle way . . .]

Yes, we know. Its a “middle way”. The system EJ Dionne thinks all reasonable people should follow. The system liberals have been trying to get right since JFK. When the marxism which motivates the movement becomes too visible, they squirt out “middle way” , “moderate” ink to conceal their retreat.

Wikipedia is good on many things but often a very Washington Postish or worse liberalism creeps in.

Think I’ll stop using the word. If everyone looks it up and finds the Wikipedia definition, there is no point to it. I’ll just say command and control (even thought dirigiste refers to the culture as well as economic/political sphere–political correctness with the state bureaucracy as an enforcer.)

 

[stellina]

Well, I’ll give him & the show credit for that, but they made fun of John Paul II’s age & physical problems during his last visit to the U.S. That’s absolutely reprehensible, even if Stewart was funny - which he’s not.

 

[proud2Bpapist]

Peace-bwu:

John Stewart isn’t evil but I guess it is fair to say that he promotes politics that promote abortion, and that is no doubt, evil. So in a round about way you could say that there are evil aspects… but I wouldnt’ call him evil. I don’t think Proud 2B’s post is saying John Stewart is evil, but that he uses his powers to promote some evil ideologies.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I guess “evil” is a word you can’t throw around lightly.
Jon himself is not evil, but sometimes he promotes false ideas or mocks religious people(especially the Catholic Church) to an absurd degree.
I don’t share his political views, but I still think he is awesome! I own his book America, and it makes me howl with laughter every time I read it.

 

[Syn_kobiety]

David_Paul:

Yes, we know. Its a “middle way”. The system EJ Dionne thinks all reasonable people should follow. The system liberals have been trying to get right since JFK. When the marxism which motivates the movement becomes too visible, they squirt out “middle way” , “moderate” ink to conceal their retreat.

Wikipedia is good on many things but often a very Washington Postish or worse liberalism creeps in.

As I said before, liberalism is no better and no worse than conservatism.
Also Wikipedia:

The principle of subsidiarity was developed in the encyclical Rerum Novarum of 1891 by Pope Leo XIII, as an attempt to articulate a middle course between the perceived excesses of laissez-faire capitalism on the one hand and the various forms of totalitarianism, which subordinate the individual to the state, on the other.

Middle way … middle course - maybe dirigisme and subsidiarity aren’t so dissimilar after all.

 

[David_Paul]

Syn kobiety:

As I said before, liberalism is no better and no worse than conservatism. Middle way … middle course - maybe dirigisme and subsidiarity aren’t so dissimilar after all.

That is the moral relativism Cardinal Ratzinger spoke of during the conclave–the idea that everything is of equal moral worth.

There is a difference between supporting abortion and not supporting abortion. They are not mere “choices”. Abortion is evil. Liberals want taxpayer funded abortion on demand. That is evil on many levels.

Go down the list. School choice. Taxes. Gay marriage. The right of self defense. Being able to express your faith in the public square without a judge ordering you to tear down a cross, a nativity scene or the Ten Commandments. Government mandated charity which does not benefit those it claims to (see how the Great Society destroyed the Black Family) but enriches a class of unionized government bureaucrats.

One cannot say liberalism is no better or worse than conservatism. In theory, yes. In pratice in America today, no.

There is no “middle way” on abortion, gay marriage and many other important social issues.

 

[Syn_kobiety]

David_Paul:

That is the moral relativism Cardinal Ratzinger spoke of during the conclave–the idea that everything is of equal moral worth.

Contemporary conservatism and liberalism both profess immorality.

Matthew: 'When I was hungry, you gave me something to eat, and when I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I was a stranger, you welcomed me, and when I was naked, you gave me clothes to wear. When I was sick, you took care of me, and when I was in jail, you visited me.

Conservatives: 'When I was hungry, you told me to get a job, and when I was thirsty, you deregulated polluters. When I was a stranger, you deported me, and when I was naked, you arrested me. When I was sick, you told me I needed insurance, and when I was in jail, you executed me.

I’m sure you can supply the liberal version, but that would only confirm that both sides are lacking.

David_Paul:

There is a difference between supporting abortion and not supporting abortion. They are not mere “choices”. Abortion is evil. Liberals want taxpayer funded abortion on demand. That is evil on many levels.

Abortion is evil. So is the death penalty. So is “preventive war.”

David_Paul:

One cannot say liberalism is no better or worse than conservatism. In theory, yes. In pratice in America today, no.

You cast many stones.

 

[David_Paul]

I have seen entire neighborhoods destroyed by liberal compassion. Had to sell my property twice and move to get away from it.

I have seen families who didn’t have enough to take care of themselves harassed by the IRS. I saw single moms working as waitresses in Vegas suicidal over the IRS dunning them for 5 years back taxes on their tips. One did kill herself. Others went into prostitution. When I lived in Vegas the government was on a jihad. Las Vegas Review Journal got a memo from the agency telling employees not to settle cases but to “leave the bloody body on the ground so the neighbors could see it.”

I’m seen farmers in California wrecked by inane, pointless regulations. Friend of mine lost his family nut farm after over 125 years in the business. He had a list in his barn of bureaucrats who visited on a regular basis. 48 different agencies. Because he and he family grew and sold pecans. That is how many unionized workers it took to see his product didn’t harm anyone and he paid his taxes. How would you like 48 agents dropping by your house whenever they felt like it?

At the same time I saw those administering these programs grow fat and happy (and vote Democratic). I know liberal machine politics from the inside and I will never, ever live near it again. It destroys the soul.

I know how many babies have been ripped out of their womb because liberals think life and death is a “choice” yes, I cast stones. I cast stones at those who hurt others, undermine the family, abort babies and tear apart the natural bonds between men and women which hold society together.

 

[Peter_Wright]

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[akitapip]

proud2Bpapist:

Way to go, Jon Stewart!! He is hilarious, and can sure tell it like it is, when he is not being a whiny liberal. God has blessed Jon with an amazingly witty mind - he should use his powers for good, not evil.

I am a big fan of “The Daily Show” and “Real Time w/ Bill Mahr”. Some of their jokes against Christianity or the Catholic Church are annoying (esp. Mahr), but the rest of the material makes up for it.