One correct religion with the Truth (part 2)?

[SteveVH]

Hello dear friend, please let me clarify further. All things are existant. If you exist, then you occupy a certain plane of existance. Tis is clarified in Baha’i theology, as the mineral plane, the vegetable plane, the animal plane, the human plane, the realm of the Word and the realm of God. According to you and Christianity therefore, Jesus occupies the realm of the Word AND the realm of God.

Baha’i cosmology simply separates the two.

I understand you disagree, yet I also see your disagreeance as in contradiction to many verses in Catholic Texts.

Once again, this would come down to your interpretation, correct? I simply believe your interpretation is wrong, on almost every account concerning the Christian scriptures. I trust in the Church which is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit according to the promise of Christ rather than the opinion of one making his own interpretation.

Well, there are unique qualities about all of us yet we retain our humanity which binds us. Jesus too was human, so there were many non-unique aspects to Him. He was also unique in that the Father empowered Him with the power of the Holy Spirit. He was greater than Moses and Abraham and all the OT Prophets

How about the unique quality of being God? Christ is the Creator, not the created. Baha’u’llah, Muhammad, Moses and all the rest are mere men, created by Christ. They all had human parents. Not Jesus. His Father is from heaven, not earth.

Dear friend it is not “me” that the Sacred Scripture disagrees with, I am showing you where the Sacred Scripture disagrees with Tradition and current/past Catholic teaching. All I am asking, kindly, is why?

Once again your statement is based upon your private interpretation. However, I will be happy to go back to that post and give you a specific answer.

You forget to add:

Judaism: Moses was the fullness of God’s Revelation until the Messiah comes who will rule on EARTH, not in peoples hearts…

And they could not be more incorrect. This is not a matter of “my interpretation is better than yours”. We look at the Person, Jesus Christ. We listen to the witnesses to his life, death and resurrection, to what he said, to how he backed up what he said with miracles. You are correct that the Jews were waiting for a savior to save them from their enemies here one earth. That is why they did not recognize him. I can’t help that.

I think the Second Coming of Christ can be dealt with later…

I think it is the crux of the matter. The Baha’i notion that God reincarnates at various times throughout history is completely in contradiction to what Christ has revealed. He “died once, for all”. He does come back and die and reincarnate into a different body ad infinitum.

 

[SteveVH]

How can the “one” Person, Jesus, have two wills? This does not conform with reason…

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

*Because “human nature was assumed, not absorbed,”97 in the mysterious union of the Incarnation, the Church was led over the course of centuries to confess the full reality of Christ’s human soul, with its operations of intellect and will, and of his human body. In parallel fashion, she had to recall on each occasion that Christ’s human nature belongs, as his own, to the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it. Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from “one of the Trinity.” The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity:98 (516, 626, 2599)

The Son of God… worked with human hands; he thought with a human mind. He acted with a human will, and with a human heart he loved. Born of the Virgin Mary, he has truly been made one of us, like to us in all things except sin.99

Christ’s soul and his human knowledge

471 Apollinarius of Laodicaea asserted that in Christ the divine Word had replaced the soul or spirit. Against this error the Church confessed that the eternal Son also assumed a rational, human soul.100 (363)

472 This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: it was exercised in the historical conditions of his existence in space and time. This is why the Son of God could, when he became man, “increase in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man,”101 and would even have to inquire for himself about what one in the human condition can learn only from experience.102 This corresponded to the reality of his voluntary emptying of himself, taking “the form of a slave.”103

473 But at the same time, this truly human knowledge of God’s Son expressed the divine life of his person.104 “The human nature of God’s Son, not by itself but by its union with the Word, knew and showed forth in itself everything that pertains to God.”105 Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father.106 The Son in his human knowledge also showed the divine penetration he had into the secret thoughts of human hearts.107 (240)

474 By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal.108 What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.

Similarly, at the sixth ecumenical council, Constantinople III in 681, the Church confessed that Christ possesses two wills and two natural operations, divine and human. They are not opposed to each other, but cooperate in such a way that the Word made flesh willed humanly in obedience to his Father all that he had decided divinely with the Father and the Holy Spirit for our salvation.110 Christ’s human will “does not resist or oppose but rather submits to his divine and almighty will.”*

 

[tonyfish58]

Matthew 24:23 - 25

…23"Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25"Behold, I have told you in advance.

Jesus has already warned us in advance about all these. Beware fellow brethren, he who has ears, let him hear!

Apart from His second coming, do not stray from the Way he has taught.

Matthew 11:27 - 29

…27"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. 28"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.…

His Teachings are simple and light. There’s no need to put additional burden upon yourselves on the pretence of being learned. Stay on course brethren!

Welcome JamesCarr Hope Life is good for you dear friend in God

When one posts passages in support of an argument, one must consider there is always another side to that argument. One has to consider God Does as He wills and Ordains as He Pleases and to none is given the Right to Question.

Firstly Baha’u’llah Stands upon His own person and His Revelation. You are obligated to Judge Baha’u’llahs Revelation as the Bible Dictates and not to accuse falsity without the judgement.

This passage to which you gave a part of you may wish to mediate upon!

Revelation 2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.’

Matthew 11:27 - 29 Is a Conversation of Christ (Station of Son) with Baha’u’llah (Station of Father).

Our Faiths are One with God, who has the ears to Hear this great announcement?

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

Love without being defined is meaningless. Whose love should I prefer, the love of God who took on human nature in it’s entirety for us who didn’t deserve it, or the ever shifting sand which is the bahai God?

I don’t think you love Christ because you don’t understand that Christ is all that is needed in the end.

You to yours dear friend!
Me to mine!
as to what is divine,
I judge you not, put my trust in God
and pray yours is mine

TBS July 30 2014

Onward to our journeys into the Love of God - Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

eddie too;12212559I:

conclude that their silence on the above questions is related to the fact that Bahaullah added nothing to the teachings of Jesus.

Eddie - Your Replies reminded me of a couple of Poems that I had Written many Years Ago - Hope you enjoy

**Unfounded Utterance **

Never utter a verse from God
unless you contemplate the meaning thereof,
for a verse given in such a way
given with no substance on which to weigh,
will fall not upon an ear
of a person willing to hear.

Tony Bristow-Stagg B.E. 147

Search for Faith

If the Claim of Baha’u’llah be true,
then to search for the truth is upon you.
And if you find this truth so great,
then pray God not to hesitate.
For the Truth knows no rejection,
and hesitation fails the selection.
So come on kindred’s of the earth,
search out Baha’u’llah and find His worth,
for there is only given one chance to grasp,
the Hidden Mystery of the Lord, so ask!

Tony Bristow-Stagg B.E. 147

Day of the Lord

The day of the Lord is here,
the people of the world do fear.
They know not, they see not, they do not understand,
that God has worked His Works and given the Plan of Plans.
To Baha’u’llah we now must flee,
and gain protection under this the Most Great Tree.
There is no where to turn in this world of grief,
but unto the One that came like a Thief.
The Kingdom Christ foretold is here,
there is is no more reason to fear.

Tony Bristow-Stagg B.E. 147

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

We have interpreted this verse as being fulfilled because it was fulfilled at Pentecost. This is not something for which we are still waiting. Christ sent the Holy Spirit as he promised and it still guides our Church today.

Okay. Baha’u’llah makes a claim. Joseph Smith makes a claim. Sun Myung Moon makes a claim. How is this in any way convincing that his claim is true?

Jesus performed miracles and rose from the dead to prove that he was who he said he was. Why in the world should I believe anything Baha’u’llah has to say? What has he done to convince anyone to even listen to him?

SteveVH - What can I add that I have already not

Dear friend in God - It is up to your efforts now, we have proclaimed as we can.

I am sorry that we are not examples of what Gods Love can achieve, that dear friend I will pray about.

If you really want to answer your question, the best proof of Baha’u’llah is His Son, who He gifted to Mankind as a Perfect Example as to how to live our lives.

I do not Use PERFECT EXAMPLE lightly.

Abdul’Baha was granted a unique Station, that of the “Mystery of God” amongst others. But Abdul’Baha’s wanted not a thing to do with those titles, He always stated His longing was only that he was known as a Servant of God. As I have said He was a PERFECT EXAMPLE of a servant. He was not a Manifestation

Please take the time to read about His Life, if for nothing else to see a Great life of Sacrafice - bahai-library.com/ives_mothers_stories_abdulbaha

This is a link to other stories bahaistories.com/

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

And you misunderstand this verse in Matthew. “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth” was not to urge people to take revenge. It was calling them to fairness. In other words, do not take someone’s eye because they took your tooth. But Christ goes even deeper, to the true meaning of God’s laws. He did the same with adultery, reducing it to even having lust in our heart. Rather than disposing of the law he made it even more stringent. Not only are we not allowed to murder, but we are not allowed to even curse another.

SeveVH - That dear friend is why I posted that passage - To show that Jesus gave more explanation about Law - Changed what was then currently Known.

Do you know that Baha’is live by this commandment. Baha’u’llah has made it even clearer!

Are you aware we have to try to achieve this even with the worst of our persecutors! Of course there is other guidance that we can weigh as to what action we would ultimately choose as an individual. In the end is says it is better to be killed then kill!

SteveVH - I think we have done the discussion thing re beliefs and we know the side of the fence we are talking from, in the end why can we not just share the Love!

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[JamesCarr]

This passage to which you gave a part of you may wish to mediate upon!

Revelation 2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.’

Matthew 11:27 - 29 Is a Conversation of Christ (Station of Son) with Baha’u’llah (Station of Father).

Our Faiths are One with God, who has the ears to Hear this great announcement?

God Bless and Regards Tony

Hello tonyfish58. That passage you quoted is entirely irrelevant to Baha’ullah. The churches referred to in Revelations are the churches of long ago: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia & Laodicea which preach of salvation through Jesus Christ alone. It also refers to the churches of the present times in a variety of ways.

Be it whether in the olden days of the churches or modern times, to be recognized as a church of Jesus Christ, she needs to acknowledge at least,that we are all saved when Jesus died on the Cross for all of humanity who would believe in Him. And that is all that Jesus taught and still teaches today. Jesus didn’t teach us to interprete the bible our own way or to try to decode the bible, or to add teachings from other sources to produce a so-called “higher” teaching. His teachings are simply what they are.

Question is: Can Bahai proudly say that they are saved by Jesus alone, that no one else is needed apart from Him alone?

If the answer is unclear or plain no, then my friend, Bahai has no place in that passage that was quoted. This post was not meant to offend and I won’t wish for it to be taken negatively. But if it has to offend to point Truth out blatantly, I ask for forgiveness.

 

[tonyfish58]

Hello tonyfish58. That passage you quoted is entirely irrelevant to Baha’ullah. The churches referred to in Revelations are the churches of long ago: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia & Laodicea which preach of salvation through Jesus Christ alone. It also refers to the churches of the present times in a variety of ways.

Be it whether in the olden days of the churches or modern times, to be recognized as a church of Jesus Christ, she needs to acknowledge at least,that we are all saved when Jesus died on the Cross for all of humanity who would believe in Him. And that is all that Jesus taught and still teaches today. Jesus didn’t teach us to interprete the bible our own way or to try to decode the bible, or to add teachings from other sources to produce a so-called “higher” teaching. His teachings are simply what they are.

Question is: Can Bahai proudly say that they are saved by Jesus alone, that no one else is needed apart from Him alone?

If the answer is unclear or plain no, then my friend, Bahai has no place in that passage that was quoted. This post was not meant to offend and I won’t wish for it to be taken negatively. But if it has to offend to point Truth out blatantly, I ask for forgiveness.

Dear JamesCarr - No Offense will ever be taken

In life I have found you have to be able to look at Truth from all points of view. If one does there are times then what you thought to be unquestionable all of a sudden is questionable and a larger Truth is Found.

I can answer your Question re Christ saying Yes Christ Died for my Sins. I can also answer that there is Only One God.

How you see that and I see that does indeed differ

But do we not Love God, Do we not Love Christ? Who is our ultimate Judge when it comes to that declaration?

You have stated your current path in Life, God Bless your Journey and may we Journey each as we must but together in our Love for God

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

based on the posts from his followers that I have read in catholic answers as well as information gathered from other web sites, I cannot find a single reason for believing that Bahaullah was sent by the One God, the Creator of all that is.

I have asked, more than once, what Bahaullah taught was lacking in the teachings of Jesus for the people of this century, or what do the teachings of Jesus did not address for the people of this century, or what did Bahaullah add to the teachings of Jesus; and, I have had no response.

since the followers of Bahaullah are typically quite verbose in their posts here, I conclude that their silence on the above questions is related to the fact that Bahaullah added nothing to the teachings of Jesus.

that allows one to draw the conclusion that Bahaullah was a self-absorbed man who traded on the teachings and life of Jesus to glorify Bahaullah himself.

add to the above the fact that Bahaullah rejected Jesus’ Church, Bahaullah rejected apostolic succession, Bahaullah rejected the physical resurrection of Jesus, Bahaullah rejected the Real Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, Bahaullah rejected the interpretations of the Bible that had been handed down to us through the apostles and Bahaullah rejected all of the sacraments of the RCC; and, anyone should be able to understand why no believing Christian would put any credence in the life and teachings of Bahaullah.

these issues of Bahaullah’s rejection of Jesus, His teachings and His Church, as well as the questions of what was missing from the teachings of Jesus or what the teachings of Bahaullah added to the teachings of Jesus have been repeatedly raised by RCs here at catholic answers; and yet, despite their typical verbosity, the followers of Bahaullah refuse to provide simple and understandable answers to these questions.

Hi Eddie,

Baha’u’llah has no more rejected Jesus and His teachings any more than Jesus has rejected Moses and His teachings.

“The Law is death”

Can you show me anywhere that Baha’u’llah’s rejection of Jesus is more severe than Jesus’ rejection of Moses?

Let us FIRST AND FOREMOST be fair in our judgement.

Casting stones etc etc

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[Servant19]

You know it is impossible to be just between wives how? What makes one unjust? Muhamamd had many wives and favoured some over others, like his youngest wife Aisha who was very much favoured by him. If you have an example in Jacob he favoured one wife. If you have an example in Abraham he got rid of one of his wives at the behest of another. Now, how can you say, in the light of these men who had favoured wives and even got rid of others to prohibit the unfavoured one from sharing in the inheritance that no one can be just with their wives? Clearly sacred history is against you, unless you want to accuse the perfect manifestations of erring, manifestations whom you seem to maintain are God or gods to men.

Clearly what was “Unjust” treatment of a wife meant something totally different than what it does for you today. Don’t infuse your values on to the examples of the past who did many things you would object to (marry children, marry many wives, have favored wives, cast out wives and etc). We as Christians are not bound to their example in this regard, but you as bahai are. You maintain progressing revelation, that we are getting better. you maintain monogamy is better than Polygamy. Yet God can choose whenever or for whatever reason he desires to change the rules. Polygamy, Polygamy, Polygamy, Polygamy, Polygamy, Monogamy, Polygamy and then polygamy again? Why did Muhammad have the right to go beyond what was good?

Now if you say it was good and acceptable at the time then you run into the problem that your stance on polygamy is no more right or wrong than his. That God will Hold Muhammad more justified than you because he held to the law revealed to him (apparently).

This goes however to the deeper point. You maintain all these contradictory religions are true, in spite of being shown how they cannot. Now I maintain Christianity as preached throughout all the centuries in the Orthodox church is the one correct religion with the full truth. Can you disprove this statement? Not unless you are willing to directly deny it, but bahai have shown themselves incapable (unless pushed) of doing such a thing. Will you affirm the Orthodox church is entirely truthful and correct in its dogma, practice and teaching? hmmm? Or will you maintain that bahai is the one true religion?

Clearly both cannot be right.

Ignatian, answer me this please

Knowing Jesus as well as you do with all the detailed reading into His life and what His expectations were for Christians, how would Jesus act in the following example.

A scuffle breaks out between the Christians and the Jews. The Jews slaughter huge numbers of Christians leaving the wives and the children of these Christian men alone and without hope of survival. The ONLY way for these children to survive with their mothers is to marry the mothers and thereby taking in their children as family. There are no other options available.

Would Jesus let these people just die, or take them in, marry the mothers (without necessarily consummating the marriage) and ensure their welfare is met?

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[Servant19]

Once again, this would come down to your interpretation, correct?

No, incorrect dear friend.

I am not interpreting, I am giving you the actual words to be read at face value. I assume the words mean what they mean in standard English.

When Catholic teaching expresses that the Divine Essence is unknowable and beyond the reach of human knowledge and then says that the Divine Essence is found in bodily form in Jesus Christ, it is a manifest contradiction. And not a contradiction in interpretation, its a contradiction in the manifest meaning of the words.

A body, is by definition, knowable. Yet it is proclaimed that it is unknowable in Catholic teaching.

Hope that is clear now

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[Servant19]

And they could not be more incorrect. This is not a matter of “my interpretation is better than yours”. We look at the Person, Jesus Christ. We listen to the witnesses to his life, death and resurrection, to what he said, to how he backed up what he said with miracles. You are correct that the Jews were waiting for a savior to save them from their enemies here one earth. That is why they did not recognize him. I can’t help that.

And this dear friend is all that we are asking of you in regards to Baha’u’llah. Christians, Jews, Muslims who have rejected Baha’u’llah cannot be more wrong. I can’t help that either

One should look at the Person of the Bab, first and foremost, to understand the context of Baha’u’llahs Person. Listen to the witnesses to the Bab’s life (reading the entirety of Nabil’s Narrative is critical for this), His martyrdom and its affiliated miracles. He backed up all His claims.

Just as the Jews expected specific details to recognise the Messiah, the same principles apply again here.

Nabil’s Narrative is a critical book in the recognition of the Lord and ensuring one is in correct relationship with Him.



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[Servant19]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

*Because “human nature was assumed, not absorbed,”97 in the mysterious union of the Incarnation, the Church was led over the course of centuries to confess the full reality of Christ’s human soul, with its operations of intellect and will, and of his human body. In parallel fashion, she had to recall on each occasion that Christ’s human nature belongs, as his own, to the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it. Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from “one of the Trinity.” The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity:98 (516, 626, 2599)

The Son of God… worked with human hands; he thought with a human mind. He acted with a human will, and with a human heart he loved. Born of the Virgin Mary, he has truly been made one of us, like to us in all things except sin.99

Christ’s soul and his human knowledge

471 Apollinarius of Laodicaea asserted that in Christ the divine Word had replaced the soul or spirit. Against this error the Church confessed that the eternal Son also assumed a rational, human soul.100 (363)

472 This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: it was exercised in the historical conditions of his existence in space and time. This is why the Son of God could, when he became man, “increase in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man,”101 and would even have to inquire for himself about what one in the human condition can learn only from experience.102 This corresponded to the reality of his voluntary emptying of himself, taking “the form of a slave.”103

473 But at the same time, this truly human knowledge of God’s Son expressed the divine life of his person.104 “The human nature of God’s Son, not by itself but by its union with the Word, knew and showed forth in itself everything that pertains to God.”105 Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father.106 The Son in his human knowledge also showed the divine penetration he had into the secret thoughts of human hearts.107 (240)

474 By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal.108 What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.

Similarly, at the sixth ecumenical council, Constantinople III in 681, the Church confessed that Christ possesses two wills and two natural operations, divine and human. They are not opposed to each other, but cooperate in such a way that the Word made flesh willed humanly in obedience to his Father all that he had decided divinely with the Father and the Holy Spirit for our salvation.110 Christ’s human will “does not resist or oppose but rather submits to his divine and almighty will.”*

Thankyou for this dear friend. I understand from it still that there is One Will, inextricably linked. Like two cars welded together side by side driving down the highway. Two cars, one will.

There is no need to separate the two wills. This fully aligns with Bahai teaching:

bahai-library.com/books/quest/quest.06.html

Secondly, when we say “human nature is assumed” we are therefore distinguishing from “absorption”
When I assume the outfit of a clown, it becomes my reality for the time I go to the fancy dress party, but those with true knowledge know my true reality, and that true reality is not the clown.

Similarly, Jesus’ true reality was not His physical human temple, it was His spiritual Divine Temple.

Again, this is no different to the Teachings of Baha’u’llah who advises this entire physical plane/world is not true reality, it is the spiritual realm that is true reality.



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[eddie_too]

why should a person believe that Bahaullah was sent to mankind by its Creator?

 

[eddie_too]

what is lost to human beings who do not believe Bahaullah was sent by their Creator?

 

[eddie_too]

what is missing in the life and teachings of Jesus and His Church that is needed by human beings today?

 

[Servant19]

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why should a person believe that Bahaullah was sent to mankind by its Creator?

Dear eddie, hope you are well.

It is simply because of the Person of the Bab and the Person of Baha’u’llah.

You simply cannot judge either of them until you have read fully the events surrounded their lives and how they simply astounded thousands upon thousands of skeptical people.

In the 1200 year history of Iran, since Islam, not one individual had created such tremendous response of sacrifice and worship as the Bab and Baha’u’llah.

Please reflect the conditions in Islamic Iran. Do you think a Muslim, some of which were the chief theologians for the Shah, would ever give up the belief that God can be Incarnated? These very souls believed Baha’u’llah was God and behaved accordingly too. These people were not stupid, mentally compromised, or liars. The evidence is clear.

One must study Nabils Narrative to gain a complete understanding.



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[tonyfish58]

why should a person believe that Bahaullah was sent to mankind by its Creator?

IMHO

Dear eddie too - To fulfill ones belief in Christ and His Covenant with Mankind?

what is lost to human beings who do not believe Bahaullah was sent by their Creator?

IMHO

eddie too - The fullness of Christs Love

what is missing in the life and teachings of Jesus and His Church that is needed by human beings today?

eddie too - This has been answered many times - Other aspects are these - The Oneness of Gods Religions - The knowledge that God is only Knowable through His Manifestations. Outside this knowledge, God is beyond all understanding even to the Manifestations Themselves.

Bahá’u’lláh taught that God is too great and too subtle a Being for the finite human mind ever to understand Him adequately or to construct an accurate image of Him:

** How wondrous is the unity of the Living, the Ever-Abiding God–a unity which is exalted above all limitations, that transcendeth the comprehension of all created things… How lofty hath been His incorruptible Essence, how completely independent of the knowledge of all created things, and how immensely exalted will it remain above the praise of all the inhabitants of the heavens and the earth!** Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings, pp. 261-62. info.bahai.org/article-1-4-0-2.html#3

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

You to yours dear friend!
Me to mine!
as to what is divine,
I judge you not, put my trust in God
and pray yours is mine

TBS July 30 2014

Onward to our journeys into the Love of God - Regards Tony

See that’s the point, it isn’t just “To your own religion and my mine to my religion.”

That almost makes me think you are a subjectivity who cares neither about salvation or truth. Yet you have admitted you think (though you refuse to use the word) Christianity, especially Nicene Christianity a corruption or deviation.

Why engage in these debates if this how you answer everything in the end? It convinces no one.