One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church?

[stewstew03]

No, you were a bit haphazard with placement of HTML code. Look at my original post.

Oops - yes, some of what you wrote looks like it’s attributed to me. My mistake.

My opinion of what you wrote doesn’t change, however: On one hand, you claim Catholicism is too complex; but on the other hand, you appear to judge it as if it is quite simple.

I believe God revealed Truth through his son. Jesus told people this Truth and charged his disciples with the responsibility to spread the word to everyone they came across after His resurrection. What happened after that is up to interpretation.

What is Truth, and how were you able to discover these Truths if not through the Catholic Church?

I really don’t like the book of Job, I’m fairly sure it’s mostly fiction - but it is a part of the Old Testament, so let’s at least get the story straight. Job 1:16
So, according to the book of Job (but not me), God did make the bad things happen to Job - to which I refer back to my original post.

That’s fine. I understand some protestants pick and choose their own canons…

It’s not that I disagree with Church hierarchy, or think it’s not necessary for the Catholic Church to manage their people. It’s just that type of structure is a man made concept. As far as a hierarchy in heaven, we have what whoever wrote various parts of the Old and New Testament - and the truth. Maybe it’s the same, maybe not. I look forward to finding out.

Not sure what you mean. Are you saying there’s no scriptural evidence for priests, deacons, or bishops??

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[Offdoodykcrn]

Oops - yes, some of what you wrote looks like it’s attributed to me. My mistake. My opinion of what you wrote doesn’t change, however: On one hand, you claim Catholicism is too complex; but on the other hand, you appear to judge it as if it is quite simple.

Where did I judge it to be simple? I have never said, written or thought that. The message from Jesus (God’s Truth) was simple: Love God first, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. Jesus told his disciples to spread this simple truth. What happened after Peter is where it got complex.

That’s fine. I understand some protestants pick and choose their own canons…

There are no cannons in the book of Job… You said (post # 51)

God didn’t “make” anything happen. But He allowed Job to be tested.

I pointed out your error by citing Job 1:16.

Not sure what you mean. Are you saying there’s no scriptural evidence for priests, deacons, or bishops??.

The last paragraph in post # 53 was more in response to R_C’s post # 52, “heavenly hosts are divided in a hierarchy of love…”

 

[grannymh]

Well perhaps I’m making straw man arguments, because I really don’t fully understand the doctrine of apostolic succession. But I thought the Catholic position was something like “Only we have an unbroken line of succession from Peter, who was appointed head of the Church by Christ.”

I think it is very relevant to consider whether or not evil men have the God-given authority to appoint their successors. I would take it a step further, and question whether godly men have the right to pick a successor of their choosing, or are they simply obligated to identify the person God has chosen? What happens if/when they fail?

This is more a common sense answer. Don’t see any real value in judging the Pope or how he was chosen. The point is that the succession goes back to St. Peter who was chosen by Jesus Christ, period

Besides, the Catholic Church having the Apostolic Mark includes the fact that Catholicism has kept the Faith of the Apostolic Age. We did not throw out adherence to Chapters 6 and 14 of the Gospel of John. Check the “Index of Citations” page 689 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition to see the Apostolic Faith in this century.

 

[EvangelCatholic]

Lutherans believe we are in the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic church as a professing movement to and in the Roman Catholic Church. If a family bans a son or daughter that doesn’t mean that they are not fresh and blood. Lutherans belong in Roman Catholicism. Like a cousin who reaches out.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Lutherans believe we are in the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic church as a professing movement to and in the Roman Catholic Church. If a family bans a son or daughter that doesn’t mean that they are not fresh and blood. Lutherans belong in Roman Catholicism. Like a cousin who reaches out.

How fresh are they?

The Church would state that Lutherans are not, but we can all agree we are children of God. That is a good place to start.

 

[EvangelCatholic]

How fresh are they?

The Church would state that Lutherans are not, but we can all agree we are children of God. That is a good place to start.

Oops!

Make that “flesh” and blood!

 

[eddie_too]

all who are in the state of grace are members of the Mystical Body.

non-catholics can be in the state of grace.

being a professed member of the RCC does not mean a person is in the state of grace.

the distinction between the visible Church and the invisible Church is important to acknowledge because it helps temper the words of us who fervently love the visible Church, the RCC, when we interact with our separated brothers and sisters (validly baptized people who do not profess the fullness of the True Faith.

but it is mistaken to think that there Jesus intended that human beings be saved outside of the graces that He gives us through the RCC.

 

[sennincatholic]

all who are in the state of grace are members of the Mystical Body.

non-catholics can be in the state of grace.

being a professed member of the RCC does not mean a person is in the state of grace.

the distinction between the visible Church and the invisible Church is important to acknowledge because it helps temper the words of us who fervently love the visible Church, the RCC, when we interact with our separated brothers and sisters (validly baptized people who do not profess the fullness of the True Faith.

but it is mistaken to think that there Jesus intended that human beings be saved outside of the graces that He gives us through the RCC.

:yup: :extrahappy: (this is my 100th post…hurray!!!)