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Peter_J said:
Good point, PRmerger.

If I might piggy-back on that I would say, EC, that your post indicates not only that we are not yet united, but also that we are not terribly close – if we were, then it wouldn’t make sense for you leave Lutheranism for Catholicism.

(For an example of Churches being very close, see the letter quoted here.)
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I rejoice the full communion among Orthodox, The holy synods of the Eastern Church. 👍
 
GKC said:
Lutheran Use, I’d think. Analogous to Anglican Use.

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Actually Lutheran liturgies tend to be similar to Catholic [Gelineau/ Marty Haugen/ Taize] so there is no particular rite or chant. I noticed that there was a time when the Danish throne insisted that Lutheran and Catholic clergy say Mass together, btw.
 
GKC said:
Lutheran Use, I’d think. Analogous to Anglican Use.
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That’s certainly possible – not that I expect it to happen in this country. It would probably be in a country with just one main Lutheran church, with a comparable level of “liberalness” to the EC-USA.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Actually Lutheran liturgies tend to be similar to Catholic [Gelineau/ Marty Haugen/ Taize] so there is no particular rite or chant. I noticed that there was a time when the Danish throne insisted that Lutheran and Catholic clergy say Mass together, btw.
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I’m still guessing it would be Use, under the Latin Rite.

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Peter_J said:
That’s certainly possible – not that I expect it to happen in this country. It would probably be in a country with just one main Lutheran church, with a comparable level of “liberalness” to the EC-USA.
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Not sure. But I recall the gentleman who posted as Bishop (Klinefelter) of the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church here, in days of yore. He was pushing an Ordinariate approach.

AFAIK, he’s a RC layman now.

GKC
 
On behalf of liturgical Lutherans, I would like to apologize to our liturgical Catholic friends for for Marty Heugen. We’re still undoing the damage over here.

Of course, you Catholics did fight back with “On Eagle’s Wings.”
 
benjohnson said:
On behalf of liturgical Lutherans, I would like to apologize to our liturgical Catholic friends for for Marty Heugen. We’re still undoing the damage over here.

Of course, you Catholics did fight back with “On Eagle’s Wings.”
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I am not understanding the reference, ben. Please 'splain!
 
PRmerger said:
I am not understanding the reference, ben. Please 'splain!
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Marty H. was a well meaning Lutheran that tried to bring the liturgy forward into modern times - his liturgies and music are used extensively in the ELCA and the Catholic Church. Sadly, they don’t come across being timeless, and to a lot of us, seem like a something out the 1970’s. The phrase “show tunes and treacle” come to mind. You’ve probably been though his “Mass of Creation” - for me, it gives me flashbacks to the summer of love and I wasn’t even born. I can almost smell the polyester.

The Catholic composed “On Eagles Wings” has worked it’s way into our hymnals - it’s a nice enough song, but is more emotional and less liturgical - a lot like Marty’s output.

Marty is no longer Lutheran.
 
benjohnson said:
Marty H. was a well meaning Lutheran that tried to bring the liturgy forward into modern times - his liturgies and music are used extensively in the ELCA and the Catholic Church. Sadly, they don’t come across being timeless, and to a lot of us, seem like a something out the 1970’s. The phrase “show tunes and treacle” come to mind.

The Catholic composed “On Eagles Wings” has worked it’s way into our hymnals - it’s a nice enough song, but is more emotional and less liturgical - a lot like Marty’s output.

Marty is no longer Lutheran.
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Ah, I see.

Thanks for the explanation.

Did Marty convert to Catholicism?

BTW: I love show tunes! 🙂
 
Peter_J said:
That’s certainly possible – not that I expect it to happen in this country. It would probably be in a country with just one main Lutheran church, with a comparable level of “liberalness” to the EC-USA.
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P.S. Both of you probably haven’t any need to hear this, but for anyone who may be reading, I should have qualified the above by quoting Cardinal Kaspar: “We are not fishing in the Anglican pond” (or, in this case, the Lutheran pond).
 
GKC said:
Not sure. But I recall the gentleman who posted as Bishop (Klinefelter) of the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church here, in days of yore. He was pushing an Ordinariate approach.

AFAIK, he’s a RC layman now.

GKC
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Any idea what happened to the several formerly-LCMS congregations that followed him? Guess has been they swam the Tiber with him, but you’re the first person I know to (presumably) have knowledge of the situation.
 
steido01 said:
Any idea what happened to the several formerly-LCMS congregations that followed him? Guess has been they swam the Tiber with him, but you’re the first person I know to (presumably) have knowledge of the situation.
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He has a wiki page, from which I took that info, some time back. And, checking it tonight, it seems he is now (as of Nov 2013) back in the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church, as a Metropolitan Bishop Emeritus. And I know of no parishes from that body who went Rome-ward. But then again, what do I know.

GKC
 
GKC said:
He has a wiki page, from which I took that info, some time back. And, checking it tonight, it seems he is now (as of Nov 2013) back in the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church, as a Metropolitan Bishop Emeritus. And I know of no parishes from that body who went Rome-ward. But then again, what do I know.

GKC
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I have a hunch – just a hunch – that people won’t ever stop paying attention to him, no matter what he does.
 
Peter_J said:
I have a hunch – just a hunch – that people won’t ever stop paying attention to him, no matter what he does.
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I was going to check the last time he appeared here, but I can’t recall his board name.

GKC

Added: Well, one problem is that I’ve been calling him Klinefelter. His name is Gladfelter, and he posted as IAGladfelter.

Pfui.

GKC
 
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