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What proof is there that christianity that exists? :confused:

i have alot of athiest kids at my school and i always try to help them out with proof and i was hoping this forum could help me. 👍

i am a 100 percent believer in christ. but my best friends are athiest and they need proof.

And with as far as faith concerns, faith comes with truth. so what truth/proof is there that christianity is the word of GOD.

i really need some help here guys. 😦

thank you! and god bless…

Mr. Isla
 
Please be advised that there is no absolute proof that God exists or that Christianity is true. There is, however, plenty of evidence and there are numerous logical and pholosophical arguments that show that God exists.

It is important for you to explore the logical arguments for and against the existence of God. I always recommend Peter Kreeft’s book The Handbook of Christian Apologetics. The cool thing about this book is that it explores all of the arguments for and against the existence of God and shows their strengths and weaknesses. There are a number of logical arguments in favor of the existence of God that are logically sound and together they make a strong case, although not an absolute proof, that God exists.

All of the arguments, however, against the existence of God have some logical inconsistency, flaw, or are simply self contradictory. Kreeft explores and exposes all of this in his book.
Kreeft is a well known professor of philosophy and is a gifted intellect. I highly recommend that you explore his book.
 
What proof is there that christianity that exists? :confused:

i have alot of athiest kids at my school and i always try to help them out with proof and i was hoping this forum could help me. 👍

i am a 100 percent believer in christ. but my best friends are athiest and they need proof.

And with as far as faith concerns, faith comes with truth. so what truth/proof is there that christianity is the word of GOD.

i really need some help here guys. 😦

thank you! and god bless…

Mr. Isla
The question is – what sort of proof are they looking for and what proof would be proof enough for them?
 
What proof is there that christianity that exists? :confused:

i have alot of athiest kids at my school and i always try to help them out with proof and i was hoping this forum could help me. 👍

i am a 100 percent believer in christ. but my best friends are athiest and they need proof.

And with as far as faith concerns, faith comes with truth. so what truth/proof is there that christianity is the word of GOD.

i really need some help here guys. 😦

thank you! and god bless…

Mr. Isla
It sounds to me like you may be making a basic mistake in your understanding. The Bible doesn’t say faith comes with truth, it says that it comes with hearing. Now the differential I would make with that is that there is no logical arguement that can bring people to their knees in worship. You cannot prove Christianity beyond people’s ability to deny it.

So this does not mean give up. No, not at all, instead you too must live by faith. For God’s Word is powerful and does not return empty. You just continue to share with the others and then you trust it to be used by God to convict them of the sinfulness and need of saving and then that they will receive Christ.

Maybe you will get the priviledge of seeing someone come to faith, maybe it will just be your role to seed and someone else will see the harvest, I don’t know, but I do know that the important thing is to continue to proclaim the news of Jesus Christ. Don’t fall into the trap of Satan thinking that the solution is to turn to philosophical arguements or something elseto somehow convince them.
 
This isn’t exactly what you’re looking for, but I think the concepts may help.

Proving Inspiration
catholic.com/library/Proving_Inspiration.asp

The Catholic method of proving the Bible to be inspired is this: The Bible is initially approached as any other ancient work. It is not, at first, presumed to be inspired. From textual criticism we are able to conclude that we have a text the accuracy of which is more certain than the accuracy of any other ancient work.

An Accurate Text

Sir Frederic Kenyon, in The Story of the Bible, notes that “For all the works of classical antiquity we have to depend on manuscripts written long after their original composition. The author who is the best case in this respect is Virgil, yet the earliest manuscript of Virgil that we now possess was written some 350 years after his death. For all other classical writers, the interval between the date of the author and the earliest extant manuscript of his works is much greater. For Livy it is about 500 years, for Horace 900, for most of Plato 1,300, for Euripides 1,600.” Yet no one seriously disputes that we have accurate copies of the works of these writers. However, in the case of the New Testament we have parts of manuscripts dating from the first and early second centuries, only a few decades after the works were penned.

Not only are the biblical manuscripts that we have older than those for classical authors, we have in sheer numbers far more manuscripts from which to work. Some are whole books of the Bible, others fragments of just a few words, but there are literally thousands of manuscripts in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Coptic, Syriac, and other languages. This means that we can be sure we have an authentic text, and we can work from it with confidence.

The Bible as Historical Truth

Next we take a look at what the Bible, considered merely as a history, tells us, focusing particularly on the New Testament, and more specifically the Gospels. We examine the account contained therein of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.

Using what is in the Gospels themselves and what we find in extra-biblical writings from the early centuries, together with what we know of human nature (and what we can otherwise, from natural reason alone, know of divine nature), we conclude that either Jesus was just what he claimed to be—God—or he was crazy. (The one thing we know he could not have been was merely a good man who was not God, since no merely good man would make the claims he made.)

We are able to eliminate the possibility of his being a madman not just from what he said but from what his followers did after his death. Many critics of the Gospel accounts of the resurrection claim that Christ did not truly rise, that his followers took his body from the tomb and then proclaimed him risen from the dead. According to these critics, the resurrection was nothing more than a hoax. Devising a hoax to glorify a friend and mentor is one thing, but you do not find people dying for a hoax, at least not one from which they derive no benefit. Certainly if Christ had not risen his disciples would not have died horrible deaths affirming the reality and truth of the resurrection. The result of this line of reasoning is that we must conclude that Jesus indeed rose from the dead. Consequently, his claims concerning himself—including his claim to be God—have credibility. He meant what he said and did what he said he would do.

Further, Christ said he would found a Church. Both the Bible (still taken as *merely a historical *book, not yet as an inspired one) and other ancient works attest to the fact that Christ established a Church with the rudiments of what we see in the Catholic Church today—papacy, hierarchy, priesthood, sacraments, and teaching authority.

We have thus taken the material and purely historically concluded that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Because of his Resurrection we have reason to take seriously his claims concerning the Church, including its authority to teach in his name.

This Catholic Church tells us the Bible is inspired, and we can take the Church’s word for it precisely because the Church is infallible. Only after having been told by a properly constituted authority—that is, one established by God to assure us of the truth concerning matters of faith—that the Bible is inspired can we reasonably begin to use it as an inspired book.

A Spiral Argument

Note that this is not a circular argument. We are not basing the inspiration of the Bible on the Church’s infallibility and the Church’s infallibility on the word of an inspired Bible. That indeed would be a circular argument! What we have is really a spiral argument. On the first level we argue to the reliability of the Bible insofar as it is history. From that we conclude that an infallible Church was founded. And then we take the word of that infallible Church that the Bible is inspired. This is not a circular argument because the final conclusion (the Bible is inspired) is not simply a restatement of its initial finding (the Bible is historically reliable), and its initial finding (the Bible is historically reliable) is in no way based on the final conclusion (the Bible is inspired). What we have demonstrated is that without the existence of the Church, we could never know whether the Bible is inspired.

The advantages of the Catholic approach are two: First, the inspiration is really proved, not just “felt.” Second, the main fact behind the proof—the reality of an infallible, teaching Church—leads one naturally to an answer to the problem that troubled the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:30-31): How is one to know which interpretations are correct? The same Church that authenticates the Bible, that attests to its inspiration, is the authority established by Christ to interpret his word.
 
What proof is there that christianity that exists? :confused:

i have alot of athiest kids at my school and i always try to help them out with proof and i was hoping this forum could help me. 👍

i am a 100 percent believer in christ. but my best friends are athiest and they need proof.

And with as far as faith concerns, faith comes with truth. so what truth/proof is there that christianity is the word of GOD.

i really need some help here guys. 😦

thank you! and god bless…

Mr. Isla
Show them Jesus Christ by your good example. He is the Truth Itself.
 
I read a book “The case for the real Jesus” by Lee Strobel, a journalist who was an athiest that came to believe through his research.

Using respected biblical historians, he arrived at the conclusion that the Bible and its claims were beyond reproach.

Although not Catholic, he presents a powerful case for God and Jesus.

This is suitable for convincing an agnostic.

The conclusion that the Scriptures of the New Testament were sound showed the infallibility of the Pope and Magisterium.
 
Or, put another way, what proof is there that the Christian Triune God does *not *exist?
oh please! Spare me! The reversal of the burden of proof is so old!

Anyway, ask them about what kind of evidence would they accept & consider valid? Then you’ll have at least a clear idea of what they want from you, so you could research those topics. However, if they want serious “contemporary evidence” then I doubt you will find arguments that will make them understand where you’re coming from.

Just do some research into different arguments both FOR/AGAINST, as well as, they rebutals. However, since there are many claims, that why I’m saying ask your friends more specifically what can off evidence would they want.
 
oh please! Spare me! The reversal of the burden of proof is so old!
Of course it’s old!. Even as old as the Catholic Church is, the tools of logic are even older. I will readily admit my argument dates to (at least) Ancient Greece, and I am in the company of Homer and Aristotle in posing it. But it’s not bad company.

I could adopt the somewhat more recent arguments of St. Thomas Aquinas, such as his development of the “unmoved Mover,” but that posit ultimately resorts, once again, to the Greeks (in this case, Reductio ad absurdum, though that’s Latin - I don’t know the Greek expression for it).

Catholics revere much that is old.
 
Of course it’s old!. Even as old as the Catholic Church is, the tools of logic are even older. I will readily admit my argument dates to (at least) Ancient Greece, and I am in the company of Homer and Aristotle in posing it. But it’s not bad company.
old.
What I meant is that the reversal of the burden of proof is old & lame; it is useful in some cases, but not this one, since the same “argument” could be applied to any supernatural claim or any other that is hard to test.

You’re basically arguing for Russell’s Teapot
 
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