'One of the greatest moral evils': Cardinal Raymond Burke supports refusing Communion to Biden, U.S. Presidential candidate

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Either church law means what it clearly says, or it is without meaning entirely. Either we act as if it has meaning, or our actions ignore it.
Law cannot be proof-texted. These canons do not stand alone but need administering.
Can. 391 §1. It is for the diocesan bishop to govern the particular church entrusted to him with legislative, executive, and judicial power according to the norm of law.

§2. The bishop exercises legislative power himself. He exercises executive power either personally or through vicars general or episcopal vicars according to the norm of law. He exercises judicial power either personally or through the judicial vicar and judges according to the norm of law.
Can. 393 The diocesan bishop represents his diocese in all its juridic affairs.
Unless I am mistaken, Cardinal Burke is not a diocesan bishop. The names that keep popping up here on these posts fit a pattern, at least to my eyes. I am convinced this topic is more political than canonical.
 
Law cannot be proof-texted.
This one can be readily understood even by laymen.
Unless I am mistaken, Cardinal Burke is not a diocesan bishop.
Which only means that he cannot apply the law, not that he cannot comment on it. He is also a canon lawyer and was, under BXVI, the Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, which, apart from the pope himself, is the highest judicial authority in the church.
I am convinced this topic is more political than canonical.
There is no doubt that this topic has political implications inasmuch as the sanction would apply overwhelmingly to one political party. Oh well. Is this really an argument that bishops should subordinate their moral obligations to their political concerns? Either bishops have the moral obligation to deny communion in accord with canon 915 or they don’t; the political implications are irrelevant.
 
I think it is fine for Cardinal Burke to enforce this rule in his diocese - remind me again what diocese he has authority over?

Most bishops seem to disagree with him (including the last couple Popes, I believe). It seems to me that it is a complicated pastoral and canon law issue that should be between each bishop and pastor and his flock. So what is the purpose of this public discussion of some other bishop’s decision?
 
He is catholic first and foremost, and a very outspoken one at that. It does not matter whether he is running for president or to be director or waste management. Canon law is law, and when you say you are catholic and obey the rules in your personal life, but say you can’t do the same in your public life as a public servant, then you should be denied communion.
 
It does not matter whether he is running for president
Check the point in context, that is, how this is (the comments by Cardinal Burke, this thread, and those posting here) political.
 
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He mentioned a man by name .
Yes he did. Because of his public nature, and his notoriety as a Catholic who fully supports abortion, such admonition seems quite appropriate. The issue, and the danger here, is one of scandal. It is not Biden alone who is at risk, but so are other Catholics who share his views on abortion.
Biden is running for president.
Therefore it is more important to make this point, not less. Why should we act as if political concerns outweigh moral ones?
 
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I was asked why I saw the issue as political. I answered the question. This is not rocket science if you read the conversation before inserting irrelevant comments.

Perhaps newer members here do no recognize the political postings of others here, but I remember a lot of them. All I was saying is I see a much stronger correlation on such things depending on which person is departing from Christian morals: Biden, Pelosi, Trump, etc.
 
They are public Catholics who identify as being Catholic, publicly. They publicly state their support for abortion, SSM, embryonic stem cell research. They cause scandal. Until they publicly repudiate their positions on those topics, Burke is right.
 
I don’t have a problem with the Church denying communion so long as the lay person is informed privately so as to avoid creating a greater scandal. But should Thom Tillis and Marco Rubio also be denied communion since they have proposed legislation supporting the death penalty? Certainly, Rubio’s support of the death penalty for killers of police officers doesn’t meet the CCC’s criteria for this punishment.
 
No, but Biden is not afraid to flaunt his ashes on Ash Wednesday. He owns most of Delaware and is probably as corrupt as Trump. Let me restate, more corrupt than Trump and several IQ points lower.
 
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But should Thom Tillis and Marco Rubio also be denied communion since they have proposed legislation supporting the death penalty? Certainly, Rubio’s support of the death penalty for killers of police officers doesn’t meet the CCC’s criteria for this punishment.
True enough, though the weighing in the present day that the church has done and from which it has concluded CP is “inadmissible” is ultimately a prudential judgement (noting that CP is not intrinsically evil), thus a person may in good faith disagree. There is no such freedom to argue that abortion is not evil.
 
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But should Thom Tillis and Marco Rubio also be denied communion since they have proposed legislation supporting the death penalty? Certainly, Rubio’s support of the death penalty for killers of police officers doesn’t meet the CCC’s criteria for this punishment.
True enough, though the weighing in the present day that the church has done and from which it has concluded CP is “inadmissible” is ultimately a prudential judgement (noting that CP is not intrinsically evil), thus a person may in good faith disagree. There is no such freedom to argue that abortion is not evil.
Yet a person may not in good faith claim that the death penalty should be applied for retributive reasons.
 
Yet a person may not in good faith claim that the death penalty should be applied for retributive reasons.
I think the language around this gets messy. There is much written (in Catholic literature) on the purposes (primary and secondary) of punishment and I would not be confident it accords fully with your statement (though nor is that literature Gospel). However to go there would take the thread far of course!
 
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