One True Faith (Michael Voris) vs. other Christians

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Michael Voris has stated numerous times on his program, The One True Faith, that Catholicism is the one and ONLY church of Christ. If you belong to another Christian church, you belong to someone else’s church. He has stated many times that Christ’s true teaching can only be found in the Catholic church and implies that non-Catholic Christians are eternally damned.

So if that is the case, how does one explain Don Piper’s book 90 Minutes in Heaven? Don Piper was a Baptist. Based on Mr. Voris’ teaching, Don Piper should have had 90 Minutes in Hell.
 
Michael Voris has stated numerous times on his program, The One True Faith, that Catholicism is the one and ONLY church of Christ. If you belong to another Christian church, you belong to someone else’s church. He has stated many times that Christ’s true teaching can only be found in the Catholic church and implies that non-Catholic Christians are eternally damned.

So if that is the case, how does one explain Don Piper’s book 90 Minutes in Heaven? Don Piper was a Baptist. Based on Mr. Voris’ teaching, Don Piper should have had 90 Minutes in Hell.
As a follow-up, I don’t necessarily disagree with Mike Voris. I am a Catholic myself and enjoy his program. I am just trying to get a conversation going on how Catholics should view other Christians in terms of salvation.
 
I hope that he is not saying that all non-Catholics are damned: that is not Church teaching. Perhaps we can contact him via e-mail and see?

I do think that the fullness of truth on earth about God is in the Catholic CHurch. I do not think all non-Catholics are damned. No one should
 
Michael Voris has stated numerous times on his program, The One True Faith, that Catholicism is the one and ONLY church of Christ. If you belong to another Christian church, you belong to someone else’s church. He has stated many times that Christ’s true teaching can only be found in the Catholic church and implies that non-Catholic Christians are eternally damned.

So if that is the case, how does one explain Don Piper’s book 90 Minutes in Heaven? Don Piper was a Baptist. Based on Mr. Voris’ teaching, Don Piper should have had 90 Minutes in Hell.
He is quite right.

Jesus did say “… this rock, I will found My Church…”

Nothing plural about that. No other Church even has the audacity to claim that is was founded by Jesus Christ.

Some may say they are based on the teaching of the Apostles etc, But facts are facts.

Add to that the fact that every other christian faith community can be traced to a man (or woman).

Our non-Catholic brethren have desired to be subject to Christ through their valid Trinitarian Baptism,… but they also desire to live “outside the house” and separated from some or many things Catholic.

Good for Michael Voris. He does good work… contribute to his ministry if you can.

catholictelevision.org/portal03.php

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. He has stated many times that Christ’s true teaching can only be found in the Catholic church and implies that non-Catholic Christians are eternally damned.

So if that is the case, how does one explain Don Piper’s book 90 Minutes in Heaven? Don Piper was a Baptist. Based on Mr. Voris’ teaching, Don Piper should have had 90 Minutes in Hell.
No it doesn’t. It is a fact that the fullness of the faith, and all Truth (Jesus Christ and all He taught) can only be found in the Church which Jesus Himself began.

Again, our separated brethren do not have the fullness of the Faith. They have, for various reasons, selected some truth, rejected some truth, and misinterpreted some truth.

If Michael Voris declared anything else, I would be shocked.

If any Catholic would declare anything else, they I would recommend they re-attend Catholicism 101.

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So if that is the case, how does one explain Don Piper’s book 90 Minutes in Heaven? Don Piper was a Baptist. Based on Mr. Voris’ teaching, Don Piper should have had 90 Minutes in Hell.
I have not read this book… but just an observation… there is an assumption that this Don Piper wrote a truthful book and not a tall tale that sounded good enough to sell books. Like I said just an observation.

Paul
 
Michael Voris has stated numerous times on his program, The One True Faith, that Catholicism is the one and ONLY church of Christ. If you belong to another Christian church, you belong to someone else’s church.
This is absolutely true! There IS only one Church established by Christ! You are quite right in saying that Michael has said this many many times!!! Thanks be to God that someone is not afraid to speak the Truth!!! The Catholic Church IS the Church established by Christ - there is no other.
He has stated many times that Christ’s true teaching can only be found in the Catholic church…
Tell me where else the fullness of Truth is? There can only be ONE truth, not many truths.
…and implies that non-Catholic Christians are eternally damned.
I have volunteered at the taping of every single show (53 total), save one (but have seen the tape), and never once can I ever recall Michael saying or implying that all non-Catholic Christians are eternally damned.

I would strongly suggest that you provide evidence, in the form of direct quotes from specific shows, so we may address such a claim.

To insinuate that ANYONE has the ability to know the final disposition of ANYONE’s soul is outrageous. And Michael Voris would never presume to have such power and knowledge.
So if that is the case, how does one explain Don Piper’s book 90 Minutes in Heaven? Don Piper was a Baptist. Based on Mr. Voris’ teaching, Don Piper should have had 90 Minutes in Hell.
First of all, Mr. Voris does not have his own “teaching”. The teaches the Truth of the Catholic Faith. Period.

With regard to knowing the state of anyone’s soul, again, that is not something any of us, this side of Heaven, have any way of knowing. And to speculate is totally inappropriate and presumptuous.

Edited with quotes for clarity.

~Liza
 
Michael Voris has stated numerous times on his program, The One True Faith, that Catholicism is the one and ONLY church of Christ.
This is true. And it is true in two ways - firstly, Voris has said this, and secondly, the Roman Catholic Church is the one and only true Church of Christ. As the Pontif himself has said, the Christian Church subsists in the Catholic Church.
If you belong to another Christian church, you belong to someone else’s church.
With reference to the word “church”, this word cannot be applied to the ecclesial communities arrising from the Reformation. Voris teaches the Catholic Church’s teaching on this matter - those those who are Protestant are members of the Church (by virtue of their baptism), but imperfectly or with deficiencies.
He has stated many times that Christ’s true teaching can only be found in the Catholic church
He has - and so have 2000 years worth of Popes.
and implies that non-Catholic Christians are eternally damned.
No, he does not. Not once, not ever, not nohow. I work with the guy. In fact, he has said EXACTLY the opposite and has (in fact) engaged in an email debate with a Catholic who DOES maintain that non-Catholics are automatically damned. This Catholic called Voris a heretic for holding the view that non-Catholics MAY be saved.
So if that is the case,
This is not the case.
how does one explain Don Piper’s book 90 Minutes in Heaven? Don Piper was a Baptist. Based on Mr. Voris’ teaching, Don Piper should have had 90 Minutes in Hell.
I haven’t read the book but - if Piper is a Baptist, then he might get to Heaven / be in Heaven. If he is in Heaven, then he is Catholic now.

In any case, Piper’s book does not consitute formal teaching of the Church. And neither does anything Voris says on his own authority. But in so far as Voris repeats what the Church teaches (which is, to be fair, all he does - but he does it with a fair degree of style) then Voris’ theology is without error.

Can anyone cite a place and time where Voris has advanced incorrect theology?

Ciao,

Morningkill
 
You are all WAY too sensitive. I wasn’t attacking Voris – I’m actually a fan of his show and jealous that you know him.

I was just trying to get a conversation going regarding Catholics and non-Catholics.

Turn down the paranoia level just a little…
 
He is quite right.

Jesus did say “… this rock, I will found My Church…”

Nothing plural about that. No other Church even has the audacity to claim that is was founded by Jesus Christ.

Some may say they are based on the teaching of the Apostles etc, But facts are facts.

Add to that the fact that every other christian faith community can be traced to a man (or woman).

Our non-Catholic brethren have desired to be subject to Christ through their valid Trinitarian Baptism,… but they also desire to live “outside the house” and separated from some or many things Catholic.

Good for Michael Voris. He does good work… contribute to his ministry if you can.

catholictelevision.org/portal03.php

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I have been trying to get my hands on Voris’ Catholic Basic Training DVDs.
 
Turn down the paranoia level just a little…
I’m not paranoid - I’m just correcting an error. Voris doesn’t imply that non-Catholics automatically go to Hell. As I said, he says exactly the opposite.
 
I have been trying to get my hands on Voris’ Catholic Basic Training DVDs.
Click the link in my signature! 😃

Or give the studio a call tonight, we will be here answering calls while the show airs in Brooklyn. I’m sure Mike would be happy to take your call!

Yep - we are a little sensitive when it comes to what we do, we take it extremely seriously, souls are in the balance. 🙂

~Liza
 
Click the link in my signature! 😃

Or give the studio a call tonight, we will be here answering calls while the show airs in Brooklyn. I’m sure Mike would be happy to take your call!

Yep - we are a little sensitive when it comes to what we do, we take it extremely seriously, souls are in the balance. 🙂

~Liza
Brooklyn, NY?? That is where I live!
 
I know this is an older post,

FYI- we are going to be featuring Michael’s program The One True Faith every Monday at 2pm Eastern time on Walking on Water Radio www.walkingonwaterradio.com you can tune in via the internet

We will also be interviewing Michael this Wednesday September 17th at Noon Eastern 9am Pacific …

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God bless
Gary
 
We are very happy indeed to be partnering with Walking On Water Radio to bring The One True Faith to a wider audience. Should anyone else wish to air the program on their radio or TV station, they can do so by contacting us (via me in the first instance)
 
I do not believe Mr. Piper had gone to heaven. And for 90 minutes? Rubbish…
 
I just watched a snippet of a Michael Voris show on the subject of Obama trying to neutralize the Catholic Church in the US. Very scary, given the shananigans he’s already pulled and is pulling at this moment…
I hope and pray that we as Catholics, and Christians can stop our petty bickering and sincerely try to love each other. Be United in His Truth!
 
In essence the wicked fools have succeeded in kicking God, and His Son Jesus Christ right out of the heart of America, and have replaced them with the National Church of Secular Humanism, a fact widely ignored by the Christian Community.

Jesus said, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house, and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Well, that’s exactly what former Senator, and later to become US President Lyndon B. Johnson did in 1954. Johnson introduced in the U.S. Congress a devious amendment to the IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code, in violation of the First Amendment of the US Constitution which reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” and that’s exactly what Johnson, and company did, they established the United States National Church of Secular Humanism, with the sole purpose of binding, and gagging the church of Jesus Christ, thus eliminating the significant influence it had up until that time in drafting sound legislation, and in supporting godly political candidates. Johnson did this with the full blessings of the Christian Clergy of America.

And since then, the US Government is in the business of censoring morality through the IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code, which promotes the kingdom of Satan, but suppresses the Kingdom of God, through its oppressive marching orders found in the IRS Tax Guide for Churches, and Religious Organizations, Publication 1828 (Rev. 6-2008) Catalog Number 21096G.

Pastors must not support Legislation.
Pastors must not support Political candidates.
Pastors must give to the IRS an account of all the financial transactions of the church.
Pastors must provide the names of all church donors to the IRS.
Pastors must not oppose the Tax System.
Pastors must advocate, and support Multiculturalism or Globalism.
Pastors may not oppose lotteries and gambling activities.
Pastors may not oppose the Public School System.

Church incorporation under the IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code is like a boxer facing his opponent in the ring with his arms tied behind his back, he is only a punching bag unable to defend himself, let alone win. Consequently, Christians have withdrawn from the Public Square, Public Education, the Entertainment, and the News Media, and the Halls of Government, and allowed the wicked fools to take over the culture by default. In effect, the 501c3 self-gagged pulpits of America are the springboards used by the wicked fools for the last sixty-three years to lunch, and legalize one godless abomination after another, such as Separation of Church and State, Affirmative Action, Abortion on Demand, Euthanasia, Divorce, Sodomy and Same Sex Marriage.

Not only the church is in grave danger, but also society as a whole is caught up in the wide road to perdition, and at the present rate of moral decay the wicked fools soon will succeed in legalizing Pedophilia, the act of an adult engaging in sexual activities with a child or children, followed by Incest, the act of engaging in sexual activities between persons closely related, and Bestiality, the act of engaging in sexual relations with an animal or animals, and they may even manage to legalize Necrophilia, the act of engaging in sexual relations with a corpse. Now that the perverts have been emboldened for their success in legalizing Same Sex Marriage there is nothing to prevent them from marrying mere children as soon as they succeed in lowering the age of consent, through NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association

Christians believe that it is not a big deal for the Federal Government to prohibit the church from getting involved in the political process by drafting legislation, and by supporting godly political candidates, as long as they can recover their tithes and offerings to the church by filing their annual Income Tax Return, they like to give it with one hand, and they like to take it back with the other hand, that’s hypocrisy at its best.
I could write volumes on the subject, but for now I want to convey to you the great evils of church incorporation, hoping the church repents of the death, and suffering it has allowed to take place by its deafening silence, for the last fifty-six years.
 
In essence the wicked fools have succeeded in kicking God, and His Son Jesus Christ right out of the heart of America, and have replaced them with the National Church of Secular Humanism, a fact widely ignored by the Christian Community.

Jesus said, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house, and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Well, that’s exactly what former Senator, and later to become US President Lyndon B. Johnson did in 1954. Johnson introduced in the U.S. Congress a devious amendment to the IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code, in violation of the First Amendment of the US Constitution which reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” and that’s exactly what Johnson, and company did, they established the United States National Church of Secular Humanism, with the sole purpose of binding, and gagging the church of Jesus Christ, thus eliminating the significant influence it had up until that time in drafting sound legislation, and in supporting godly political candidates. Johnson did this with the full blessings of the Christian Clergy of America.

And since then, the US Government is in the business of censoring morality through the IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code, which promotes the kingdom of Satan, but suppresses the Kingdom of God, through its oppressive marching orders found in the IRS Tax Guide for Churches, and Religious Organizations, Publication 1828 (Rev. 6-2008) Catalog Number 21096G.

Pastors must not support Legislation.
Pastors must not support Political candidates.
Pastors must give to the IRS an account of all the financial transactions of the church.
Pastors must provide the names of all church donors to the IRS.
Pastors must not oppose the Tax System.
Pastors must advocate, and support Multiculturalism or Globalism.
Pastors may not oppose lotteries and gambling activities.
Pastors may not oppose the Public School System.

Church incorporation under the IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code is like a boxer facing his opponent in the ring with his arms tied behind his back, he is only a punching bag unable to defend himself, let alone win. Consequently, Christians have withdrawn from the Public Square, Public Education, the Entertainment, and the News Media, and the Halls of Government, and allowed the wicked fools to take over the culture by default. In effect, the 501c3 self-gagged pulpits of America are the springboards used by the wicked fools for the last sixty-three years to lunch, and legalize one godless abomination after another, such as Separation of Church and State, Affirmative Action, Abortion on Demand, Euthanasia, Divorce, Sodomy and Same Sex Marriage.

Not only the church is in grave danger, but also society as a whole is caught up in the wide road to perdition, and at the present rate of moral decay the wicked fools soon will succeed in legalizing Pedophilia, the act of an adult engaging in sexual activities with a child or children, followed by Incest, the act of engaging in sexual activities between persons closely related, and Bestiality, the act of engaging in sexual relations with an animal or animals, and they may even manage to legalize Necrophilia, the act of engaging in sexual relations with a corpse. Now that the perverts have been emboldened for their success in legalizing Same Sex Marriage there is nothing to prevent them from marrying mere children as soon as they succeed in lowering the age of consent, through NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association

Christians believe that it is not a big deal for the Federal Government to prohibit the church from getting involved in the political process by drafting legislation, and by supporting godly political candidates, as long as they can recover their tithes and offerings to the church by filing their annual Income Tax Return, they like to give it with one hand, and they like to take it back with the other hand, that’s hypocrisy at its best.
I could write volumes on the subject, but for now I want to convey to you the great evils of church incorporation, hoping the church repents of the death, and suffering it has allowed to take place by its deafening silence, for the last fifty-six years.
i see the same slippery slope as you my friend. it is very worrysome to say the least. its interesting to note, that when you bring this up to people, of a more shall we say Leftist persuasion, they state they are not going for things so extreme. but 25 years ago, they were not pushing for the extremes we are seeing today. i think you are correct. peace 🙂
the only thing neccessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing.
 
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