One way trip to Hell

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Do you think it’s a bit harsh that a Person that is generally good…
but has a couple of failings will go to hell forever ?
considering a person lives for less than 80 years., just seems an imbalance…
thank God that in the teachings of Jesus… if you believe in me you shall be saved…
 
Do you think it’s a bit harsh that a Person that is generally good…
but has a couple of failings will go to hell forever ?
considering a person lives for less than 80 years., just seems an imbalance…
thank God that in the teachings of Jesus… if you believe in me you shall be saved…
God is perfect love, knowledge, mercy, and justice. Anyone who goes to Hell deserves it. He’s the perfect and all knowlegeable judge!
 
No, because acting good is not positive points and acting bad is not negative points. Acting good is doing what you ought to be doing, and acting bad is negative points.

Yet God joyously forgives for those who yearn for it.
 
If they go to hell they deserve it. God doesn’t have to let us into heaven in the first place. He didn’t have to die for us. Besides which, no man is good. Even Jesus said that when someone called Him good. Only God is good in that sense. So saying people are ‘good’ isn’t really accurate or biblical.
 
It may seem unfair at first glance, but, like someone said, God is the perfect judge, so He cannot make mistakes.
We have to take in consideration the whole teaching of Jesus. He also spoke about eternal fire…and Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.
 
Hi Phil,

Yes, if we believe in Jesus we will be saved. But what does it mean to believe in Jesus? It doesn’t mean to just believe in one’s head. That’s what the Protestants have been teaching for so long that they stopped teaching what that means. Part of what it means is what Julie said, “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter”. I really have a hard time understanding how the Protestants ignore this verse, and many others like it.

I know Jesus also said, “be ye perfect as thy Father in Heaven is perfect”. Will any of us ever achieve perfection? I tend to doubt it. BUT, we are to try to be that way everyday. I think it’s also important to remember God can see our heart’s intentions. He knows whether or not we’re really trying. As long as we are, I don’t think God is tossing us into hell. Another thing to remember is God didn’t make hell for man.

It’s a lot like being on a diet, and I’ve been on many. If I messed up and ate cake today, that doesn’t mean I messed up my whole diet. I just make sure I don’t eat cake tomorrow too. And I’ll still lose weight.
 
Do you think it’s a bit harsh that a Person that is generally good…
but has a couple of failings will go to hell forever ?
considering a person lives for less than 80 years., just seems an imbalance…
thank God that in the teachings of Jesus… if you believe in me you shall be saved…
The judgment has already been made at this very moment whether a person carries the light of Christ in his heart. If so, then all is well.

If that light never goes out because it is guarded, then all is well. Whatever blows that light of Christ out estabishes darkness. And amid the darkness there is the hope of return.

“God forgives healing all our pain and sinfulness, saves us from an empty life, covers us with gentleness and love.” (hymn)
 
Do you think it’s a bit harsh that a Person that is generally good…
but has a couple of failings will go to hell forever ?
considering a person lives for less than 80 years., just seems an imbalance…
thank God that in the teachings of Jesus… if you believe in me you shall be saved…
Because of Adam’s sin, man rightly deserves death. Sins might seem quite minor in comparison to eternal hell but the perfect Judge has deemed it appropriate. We are fortunate the God died to give us a possibility of attaining eternal life.

At the end of the day, everyone deserves hell no matter how kind and wonderful people think you are. God is the perfect Judge and has a perfect standard. We human cannot think ourselves judges of good people. 🙂
 
Do you think it’s a bit harsh that a Person that is generally good…
but has a couple of failings will go to hell forever ?
considering a person lives for less than 80 years., just seems an imbalance…
thank God that in the teachings of Jesus… if you believe in me you shall be saved…
How do you know this person is going to Hell?
 
Do you think it’s a bit harsh that a Person that is generally good…
but has a couple of failings will go to hell forever ?
considering a person lives for less than 80 years., just seems an imbalance…
thank God that in the teachings of Jesus… if you believe in me you shall be saved…
Jesus didn’t say it would be easy to get to Heaven. It is necessary but not sufficient to believe in Christ to be saved.

If a person only commits one mortal sin in their life and dies unrepentant then they go to Hell. God does not send them there. That is their choice. A mortal sin by definition is rejecting God’s love so a person dying in a state of mortal sin has freely chosen to be separated eternally from God.
 
Do you think it’s a bit harsh that a Person that is generally good…
but has a couple of failings will go to hell forever ?
considering a person lives for less than 80 years., just seems an imbalance…
thank God that in the teachings of Jesus… if you believe in me you shall be saved…
I know what you’re saying. I sometimes wonder where my own mother is. I’m pretty sure my father is in Hell, but then I had the peculiar experience of him turning up in my room the night he died, and then disappearing with one almighty scream. However he definitely lost his faith, and was very cruel to his own family. It was deliberate too.
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My mother on the other hand was the glue that kept the family together. And she put up with a hell of a lot of mistreatment from her husband. I’ve got a couple of complaints about her, but they pale in comparison to what my father was like.

However she didn’t go to church, and basically walked away from God fairly early on. I think part of the reason was the things she put up with - lost an infant brother in the 1919 Spanish flu epidemic; lost a teenage sister from meningitis after watching her suffer for three years (walked around with her head up for 18 months, then walked around with her head down for 18 months, then died); lost a boyfriend on the HMAS Sydney which disappeared with all hands during WWII and was only located in 2008; witnessed the cruelty of World War II and the deprivations of the Depression; married my father and went into a marriage from Hell for 25 years; had a miscarriage between me and my sister, which my father may have had something to do with; and was pretty well penniless when she died.

So I think she thought God was pretty cruel if he existed, and quietly rebelled. I think she wondered what she’d done to deserve all that. She’d lived a quiet life; had no great sins; and was generally what you’d call a good and very responsible citizen.

At her funeral, and around the time she died, her friends and those who knew here were adamant she was a saint. Former neighbours were in fairly heavy attendance at her funeral, whereas **not a single one **turned up for my father’s funeral 20 years earlier, when they were all 20 years younger and mostly still alive. I know that my old pastor happened to visit a former neighbour who was dying of cancer, and his words to the pastor included a commentary about my father - “He was a miserable, bad tempered b----d!! Pardon the French, but no-one was sorry when he died!” That sort of indicates the sort of marriage she put up with.

Yet I didn’t join in the chorus about her alleged sanctity, but merely nodded my head, since I’d become a Christian a few years before, and as far as I was concerned it was God who judged, not them.

But I wonder just how tough the judgment is.

Personally I think it’s pretty tough. On the other hand, I find it a bit hard to believe she’s in the same place as Adolf Hitler, or Josef Stalin, or a number of other people I could name who willingly served the devil.

So I just leave it with Him. I don’t know, and I don’t like the idea of her screaming her head off the way I saw my father screaming his head off, just before he disappeared for the last time. Going to Hell is not pretty, if my own peculiar experience is anything to go by. Whenever I see those stickers on cars, “Hell was too full, so they sent me back”, I always feel a bit cynical. They’ve got no idea of what they’re talking about. They think it’s a joke.
 
Thank you Bob Crowley for your magnificent reply…

You know exactly what I was meaning…

Your mother is the type of person I was on about…

not perfect by any means but she ment well…

she was shaped by her environment , was she in a position to change her world ?

Thats why I love the Verse Mark 16;16…
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Who ever Believes and is Baptised will be saved..
and yes there are a number of verses of similar meaning…
Thanks again.
 
I am an Anglican, and so from the perspective of most on this board, I am a Protestant. I bristle at such a designation, however, and have a deep love of the Holy Catholic Church and the Orthodox Faith. I am deeply Eastern in my understanding of Soteriology. So, as I understand the Orthodox Position, which admittedly shies away from the more jurisdictional western language, God is all Love and perfect good. God is also a consuming fire. When every living soul passes from this life, that soul comes into the unfiltered glory of God’s presence. The way we experience that presence is determined by the choices we make and our disposition toward God in this life, as well as our participation in the body of His Son through Baptism, Eucharist and participation in the Sacramental life of the Church, which is Christ’s mystical body.

Those who love God and live to please him and are driven to live their lives pursuing the perfect and ultimate truth and reality of God, experience God’s presence as a warming glow which nourishes and satisfies our every longing. On the other hand, those who hate God and live their lives in rebellion and antipathy toward God and His economy, including the Church, experience the full Glory of God’s presence as a burning fire which torments them beyond comprehension, and is in truth, Hell for them. It should be stated that both of these are experiences of the all perfect and all consuming love of God. We truly do make the choice as to whether we experience bliss or torment.

Even God’s wrath can be properly understood as the perfect Love of God, for those who hate God cannot bear to be in the presence of such perfect love.

For the record, I shy away from making blanket declarations as to who is experiencing this wrath, the torment of being in Hell. I cannot determine the eternal state of anyone, for only God knows that.
 
I am an Anglican, and so from the perspective of most on this board, I am a Protestant. I bristle at such a designation, however, and have a deep love of the Holy Catholic Church and the Orthodox Faith. I am deeply Eastern in my understanding of Soteriology. So, as I understand the Orthodox Position, which admittedly shies away from the more jurisdictional western language, God is all Love and perfect good. God is also a consuming fire. When every living soul passes from this life, that soul comes into the unfiltered glory of God’s presence. The way we experience that presence is determined by the choices we make and our disposition toward God in this life, as well as our participation in the body of His Son through Baptism, Eucharist and participation in the Sacramental life of the Church, which is Christ’s mystical body.

Those who love God and live to please him and are driven to live their lives pursuing the perfect and ultimate truth and reality of God, experience God’s presence as a warming glow which nourishes and satisfies our every longing. On the other hand, those who hate God and live their lives in rebellion and antipathy toward God and His economy, including the Church, experience the full Glory of God’s presence as a burning fire which torments them beyond comprehension, and is in truth, Hell for them. It should be stated that both of these are experiences of the all perfect and all consuming love of God. We truly do make the choice as to whether we experience bliss or torment.

Even God’s wrath can be properly understood as the perfect Love of God, for those who hate God cannot bear to be in the presence of such perfect love.

For the record, I shy away from making blanket declarations as to who is experiencing this wrath, the torment of being in Hell. I cannot determine the eternal state of anyone, for only God knows that.
Bill, you described this understanding so eloquently and clearly. 👍 I don’t believe that I have read such a concise and clear statement on this anywhere. Welcome to the forums. 🙂
 
You know exactly what I was meaning…

Your mother is the type of person I was on about…

not perfect by any means but she ment well…

she was shaped by her environment , was she in a position to change her world ?
I often wonder about the same thing, about the same type of people.

People have no faith for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes it is the circumstances and people fall under the weight of pain and misery in the world, and lose their faith. Sometimes it is the case that God and church and all these things are just too demanding and inconvenient and not in step with the times and people can’t be bothered with the Big Questions. And there are many other reasons.

I don’t know. I suspect that God takes everything into account and is merciful as well as just in His judgement. I think this is pretty much all we can speculate about this question.
 
There is only one thing that will get you into hell…the one unforgiveable sin…blaspheming the Holy Spirit. This means: refusing the mercy of God – refusing His forgiveness.

All other sins are forgiveable if we are sorry for them. If, however, a person “makes a pact with venial sin” by continually committing it – thinking, “Oh it’s only a minor sin. It doesn’t really matter.” – he/she can end up in hell quite easily. Why? Because the pride (yes, it’s PRIDE) that leads to this kind of thinking can also dispose one to refuse the mercy that God will hand them at their personal judgement, thinking…“I don’t need mercy. It’s nothing much that I’ve done. I’m a pretty good person.”

Also, by continually committing venial sins a person can put himself/herself in a compromizing position – which could very easily escalate to the next step up the ladder of sinful behavior: mortal sin. It’s only a short step.

The key is to prepare one to face their personal judgement at any moment. We never know when Our Lord will call us home…so it’s best to (as St. Benedict teaches) “Keep death always before your eyes.”

Remember though, going to hell demands a willful choice. Will I be disposed to make that choice when I come to my personal judgement?
 
I take comfort in the fact that God is the ‘good’ parent.

As a parent, even though we are sinful and imperfect, we treat our children with love and mercy. God who is all good and perfect can do no less.

What does it take for your children to make you decide to cast them out into suffering or punishment. They have to do some pretty awful things before that happens. OR they have to want to leave you on their own. We can not force our children to love us and neither can God. We have free wills and so do our kids.
 
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