Only members of the Church are saved?

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Found this: The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the Church. Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all.
That’s from St. John Paul II–he puts it in context below since it was interpreted by some as ruling out the need for faith in Christ, which is necessary (see CCC 161). After referencing that quote from Redemptoris Missio, he rules out salvation that is independent of faith in Christ:
  1. What I have said above, however, does not justify the relativistic position of those who maintain that a way of salvation can be found in any religion, even independently of faith in Christ the Redeemer, and that interreligious dialogue must be based on this ambiguous idea. That solution to the problem of the salvation of those who do not profess the Christian creed is not in conformity with the Gospel. Rather, we must maintain that the way of salvation always passes through Christ, and therefore the Church and her missionaries have the task of making him known and loved in every time, place and culture. Apart from Christ “there is no salvation”.
As Peter proclaimed before the Sanhedrin at the very start of the apostolic preaching: “There is no other name in the whole world given to men by which we are to be saved” (Acts 4:12).

For those too who through no fault of their own do not know Christ and are not recognized as Christians, the divine plan has provided a way of salvation. As we read in the Council’s Decree on Missionary Activity Ad gentes , we believe that “in ways known to himself, God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel” to the faith necessary for salvation ( Ad gentes , n. 7).
https://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP950531.htm
 
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First of all, your statement starts out with a false premise that cannot be proven.

Salvation’s root meaning is health or well-being.
the blind man said to him, Rabboni, that I may see. And JESUS said to him, Go thy ways, thy faith hath made thee safe. And forthwith he saw, and followed him in the way. - Mark 10:51b-52. - in Greek: …Ὕπαγε ἡ πίστις σου σέσωκέν σε
This word σέσωκέν is the identical root word used in a verse such as:
For with grace you are saved through faith (Ephesians 2:8)
Salvation isn’t just an either or thing. By having faith in goodness for oneself, which can only be our Lord, a person is having faith in God, and if they would understand reality fully, they would willingly believe all the doctrines of, for example, the Athanasian creed, which was mentioned earlier. This is how it can be both true, and is, that
This is catholic belief, which if anyone have not believed loyally and firmly, he will not be able to be whole/saved. - Last sentence of Athanasian creed
and that,
Thus I understood that all His blessed children which be come out of Him by kind (nature) shall be bought again (redeemed) into Him by grace. - Lady Julian of Norwich line 2658-2660
Believing has been revealed to include implicit as well as explicit belief, although explicit belief is much more helpful to the individual concerned. This is why it is necessary to evangelize (preach the good news [note Good, not bad or good and bad] to the heathens.
 
For instance, a man may have lived in bodily comfort, or in affliction, virtuously or viciously, renowned or disgraced; he may have passed his days miserably, or happily. These and such-like results must be obtained from the length of his life and the manner of his living; and to be able to pass a judgment on the things done in his life, it will be necessary for the judge to scrutinize his indulgences, as the case may be, or his losses, or his disease, or his old age, or his prime, or his youth, or his wealth, or his poverty: how well or ill a man, placed in either of these, concluded his destined career, etc. But whenever the time come that God shall have brought our nature back to the primal state of man, it will be useless to talk of such things then, and to imagine that objections based upon such things can prove God’s power to be impeded in arriving at His end. His end is one, and one only; it is this: when the complete whole of our race shall have been perfected from the first man to the last — some having at once in this life been cleansed from evil, others having afterwards in the necessary periods been healed by the Fire, others having in their life here been unconscious equally of good and of evil — to offer to every one of us participation in the blessings which are in Him, which, the Scripture tells us, eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor thought ever reached. But this is nothing else, as I at least understand it, but to be in God Himself; for the Good which is above hearing and eye and heart must be that Good which transcends the universe. But the difference between the virtuous and the vicious life led at the present time will be illustrated in this way; viz. in the quicker or more tardy participation of each in that promised blessedness. According to the amount of the ingrained wickedness of each will be computed the duration of his cure. This cure consists in the cleansing of his soul, and that cannot be achieved without an excruciating condition, as has been expounded in our previous discussion. - St Gregory of Nyssa, On the Soul and the Resurrection
I believe that not a great number of souls go to hell. God loves us so much. He formed us at his image. God loves us beyond understanding.
And it is my belief that when we have passed from the consciousness of the world, when we appear to be dead, God, before He judges us, will give us a chance to see and understand what sin really is. And if we understand it properly, how could we fail to repent?" - Padre Pio
All things, by desiring their own perfection, desire God Himself, inasmuch as the perfections of all things are so many likenesses of the divine being; … And so of those things which desire God, some know Him as He is Himself, and this is proper to the rational creature; others know some participation of His goodness, and this belongs also to sensible knowledge; others have a natural desire without knowledge, as being directed to their ends by a higher intelligence. - St. Thomas Aquinas Summa 1st part Question 6 Article 1
 
From the Baltimore Catechism;

Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church?

A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that person:

1.(1) Has been validly baptized;

2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and

3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

Q. 511. Why do we say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the CatholicChurch to be the true Church?

A. We say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, because the necessary conditions are not often found, especially that of dying in a state of grace without making use of the Sacrament of Penance.

Lesson 11: On the Church
The conditions mentioned in this article must be understood as

(1) This baptism must also include blood and desire baptism, not just water baptism, or it would be a heresy.

(2) This also includes those who do not practice any religion at all.

(3) If someone does not have full knowledge or any about the church, it’s difficult to see how they can have full knowledge about the seriousness of a sin.

Also, we must keep in mind what Pope Innocent III said: Whatever is done against conscience, buildeth unto Gehenna.
 
I believe this is another topic above our pay grade. It is even above the Pope’s pay grade. LOL.

Our final destination is to be decided by HIM, no one else. And if we are all preaching to everyone how our God is Love…then you guys already know what love can do. For whatever reason, God seems to love us humans, faulty as we may be, so He must know something we don’t. 😊

We can only hope He finds it in His heart to save as many of us clumsy oafs as He possibly can.
 
Those not members of the Church can be saved as surely as those who are members can be condemned…can’t have it both ways…Vatican II spoke clearly on the false contention that only Catholics are redeemed.
 
No, they can not be saved.
Are you comfortable being the self-appointed judge of the vast majority of the souls of God’s creation since the dawn of time? I would rather put my salvation in the hands of the mercy of God, than yours!
 
can they be saved?
In God, ALL things are possible.
I am not about to attempt to read the mind of God on this one. I am sure, though, He judges each person on their individual soul. The Church provides a path to salvation… Only God can have others, of which most are probably unbeknownst to us, here on earth.
 
You don’t have to read His mind, since He has revealed what it is and that revelation is handed down in Scripture and Tradition. The necessity of being incorporated into the Church for salvation is straight out of Scripture and has always been the Tradition of the Church.

To be saved, you need to be baptized (John 3:3) into the one Body in the one Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13), partake of the one bread as one Body (1 Cor. 10:17), profess the One Lord, one faith, one Baptism (Eph 4:4-5). Like Noah’s ark, you have to be on board–like Noah’s ark in the flood, outside of which none were saved, Baptism now saves (1 Peter 3:20-21), and since we are baptized into the one Body it has the same significance as the ark.

Furthermore, to have fellowship or communion with Christ, you must have fellowship with those who have fellowship with Him (1 John 1:3). We are forbidden, therefore, from schisms and must be united in belief (1 Cor. 1:10). Heresy and schism, therefore, also exclude from salvation (Gal 5:20-21; Titus 3:10-11).

The Church’s Tradition also confirms that the necessary faith and charity can provide the means of baptismal grace, where actual baptism is lacking through no fault of the person.
 
The same would apply to an EO person who was himself mortally guilty of the sin of schism. If not guilty of that sin, then their faith would maintain that salvific unity with the Church established through their baptism. Obviously, other unabsolved mortal sins could still exclude the person from salvation.

Also, it should be pointed out, that dogmatic definition from the Council of Florence (it’s not from Pope Eugene IV alone) was a reunion Council where the separate Greeks participated and agreed. Unfortunately, the reunion did not last long afterward.
 
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If they’re in communion with the Church of Rome and recognize the Pope as the true sucessor of Saint Peter, then they’re members of the Church.
The other Orthodox denominations are usually in schism, so…
 
I will say this… If one IS saved, He/She is a member of the Church… The Church suffering or the Church triumphant.
 
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