only one correct religion with the truth?

[Servant19]

it does make sense that people who do not know Jesus Christ would conclude that God is unknowable.

but the best solution to that problem (of believing a person cannot know God) is to know Jesus Christ.

I agree 100% with what you say here dear eddie

It is only through Gods Messengers that human beings can know God …

God bless you

 

[eddie_too]

servant19 wrote, "i agree 100% with what you say here dear eddie

It is only through Gods Messengers that human beings can know God …

my response:

first, i did not say what servant19 writes that i said and that he agrees with 100%. this is a total and complete lie.

second, and i reiterate, it is only through knowing JESUS CHRIST that human beings can know God.

why did this bahai lie about me and what i said? that is a good questiona and raises a second question. how common is it for the bahai to take lie about others and their religious beliefs?

 

[eddie_too]

why do i characterize servant19’s comment as a lie?

because i did not say anything about “God’s Messengers”.

yet, that is what servant19 says i said and with which he agrees.

i believe we must all vigorously defend the truth and that is why i am making a “federal case” out of this lie from servant19.

 

[Servant19]

why do i characterize servant19’s comment as a lie?

because i did not say anything about “God’s Messengers”.

yet, that is what servant19 says i said and with which he agrees.

i believe we must all vigorously defend the truth and that is why i am making a “federal case” out of this lie from servant19.

I can assure you it was no lie
I agreed with you on your statement. We can all learn a lot about God through Jesus. But we can also learn a lot about God through Moses, and any of the Messengers of God…

So please can you inform me what knowledge you have of God that I do not?

What did Jesus tell you about God that was not already mentioned by Moses?

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[eddie_too]

whatever knowledge i have about God is available to you.

the problem is that you do not believe what the RCC teaches about God.

anyone can learn what the RCC teaches about God, i.e. gain that knowledge; but, having the knowledge is different from accepting that the knowledge is true and accurate.

some of the things you “probably” know about the RCC’s teachings about God are that there are three distinct persons who comprise one God.

another is that one of the three distinct persons became man.

another is that God ordained that human beings would have their own bodies after death.

another is that God created the RCC for the salvation of souls.

another is the God used the RCC as a conduit for sending the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Most Holy Trinity, to mankind.

another is that God desires all men to be perfectly united with Him after their deaths.

those are a few that you might know but do not believe.

another is that the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity is generated by the First Person of the Most Holy Trinity.

just as faith without works is dead, so knowledge without faith is useless for salvation.

 

[LegoGE1947]

If a Pentecostal preacher or Jehovah Witness tells you that, there church is the truth everyone else is wrong. What do we say? I just don’t feel like it’s right for any person to teach in such way.

Here is a web address to help:churchmilitant.tv

 

[Matthew_Light]

What did Jesus tell you about God that was not already mentioned by Moses?

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Moses taught the Law of God and the importance of following the law and obedience to the law.

Christ went beyond that. He showed that by being born again, baptised by the Holy Spirit, we could do better than just to than obey the law. We could enter the kingdom of heaven and become on fire with the love of God. This opened the door for a qualitatively increased degree of human spiritual development than we had before - which is why we have seen so many detached and holy Christian saints.

Christ also showed us God’s infinite forgiveness and mercy. That even when we make mistakes, we can turn around back towards God (metanoia) and repent our sins and errors and be forgiven, allowing us to walk away from the mistakes of our past, and dedicate our lives singlemindedly to Him. “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and then unto it shall be added all these other things”.

In my view, Baha’u’llah describes the teachings of the Semetic Manifestations in the Seven Valleys. Abraham showed us the way into the Valley of Love, Moses taught the Valley of Knowledge, And Jesus went far beyond either and showed us the Kingdom of Heaven (which is called the Valley of Unity in the Seven Valleys).

I have no doubt that Christ taught and showed us a way to a much deeper relationship with God than did Abraham, Moses and the other prophets of Israel, because it was time for that and humanity had developed the capacity for that kind of relationship. This is my understanding of “progressive revelation”.

 

[Servant19]

Friends we are talking about the NATURE of God, not our relationship to Him or the nature of His creation etc etc.



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[eddie_too]

how do the bahai separate the nature of God from His creation?

 

[Servant19]

how do the bahai separate the nature of God from His creation?

Well it’s not a pantheistic religion for a start

I’m struggling for time right now to go much deeper.

I’m sure other Baha’is will chip in with some thoughts

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[ffg]

I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?

Some thoughts on the OP -

I would flip the title -

Since truth can be only one, then there must be one true religion.

However, all religions teach at least a semblance of truth, it is the attracting factor. Even if it’s as simple as ‘be good’.

But if that’s all the instruction a religion has on truth, a member might ask ‘how?’ and look for a religion that answers that question.

In order to find that one true religion, some signs might be -

It needs to have a depth much deeper than all the others (be able to answer all questions).

It must be very attractive to seekers (population?).

I guess we could look at it this way, assuming Jesus is who He proved He Is, is there a religion that is drenched in His teachings?

I mean all in, including immitation of actions of the life of Jesus?

We are coming up on Lent. As a Catholic, I know I will be participating in an event that is 40 days long that immitates Jesus’ 40 days in the desert and temptations therein, even of daily things like food I choose to not touch during that time.

Why? Because the religion created it, or because Jesus did it - it must be something to do?

One thing is definitely for sure though about truth and the true religion - it’s not about what you or I ‘think’. Deciding for ourselves what it is, won’t lead us to truth.

 

[Tom_Baum]

eddie too

You wrote, “another is that the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity is generated by the First Person of the Most Holy Trinity.”

What do you mean by this?

The Trinity Is the Trinity, all “Three Persons” always were, there was never less than Three, so none could have been “generated” by any of the others.

I may not “understand” the Trinity but I would also say that no one else does either, the Trinity was always the Trinity or it just isn’t and never was.

The Second Person of the Trinity became Jesus in the Incarnation but before the Incarnation, the Second Person of the Trinity was the Second Person of the Trinity.

The Second Person of the Trinity became Jesus, Jesus did not become the Second Person of the Trinity.

 

[eddie_too]

the word generated is used in Trinitarian theology to describe the relationship between the Father and the Son. it is not understood as involving a sequence in time. God is eternal and the Father’s generation of the Son is eternal.

in Trinitarian theology, it is also understood that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. the eastern orthodox churches that are not in union with Rome prefer to describe the relationship of the Holy Spirit to the Father and Son as the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father through the Son. this relationship of the Holy Spirit to the Father and the Son is also eternal and is not a description of a time sequence.

 

[eddie_too]

Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity.

that is the doctrine of the Incarnation.

i am not a professional theologian.

consequently, my characterizations of divine mysteries may not be exactly the same as those of a professional Trinitarian or Solteriology theologian.

i am not certain that it is correct to say that Jesus became the Second Person of the Trinity.

it is my understanding that Jesus always was the Second Person of the Trinity from the moment Mary the Mother of God said yes to the angel Gabriel at the Annunciation.

if their are any professional theologians (by that i mean Doctors of Sacred Theology) lurking here, i most certainly yield to their characterizations of these two doctrines.

 

[Tom_Baum]

Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity.

that is the doctrine of the Incarnation.

i am not a professional theologian.

consequently, my characterizations of divine mysteries may not be exactly the same as those of a professional Trinitarian or Solteriology theologian.

i am not certain that it is correct to say that Jesus became the Second Person of the Trinity.

it is my understanding that Jesus always was the Second Person of the Trinity from the moment Mary the Mother of God said yes to the angel Gabriel at the Annunciation.

if their are any professional theologians (by that i mean Doctors of Sacred Theology) lurking here, i most certainly yield to their characterizations of these two doctrines.

You wrote, “i am not certain that it is correct to say that Jesus became the Second Person of the Trinity.”

I did not say that Jesus became the Second Person of the Trinity, I said that the Second Person of the Trinity became Jesus.

You also wrote, “it is my understanding that Jesus always was the Second Person of the Trinity from the moment Mary the Mother of God said yes to the angel Gabriel at the Annunciation.”

What I was trying to say in what I wrote was that Jesus, God-Incarnate, came into Being when Mary said Yes and that before Jesus, God-Incarnate came into Being the Second Person of the Trinity was the Second Person of the Trinity and always had been but that Jesus, God-Incarnate, wasn’t always, as in, Truly God and Truly Man, uncreated and created, God-Incarnate.

I suppose one way to look at it is, there was God and there was God’s creation and at the Yes of Mary, the Second Person of the Trinity became a part of God’s creation.

 

[joe371]

I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?

You might have a point. However, how could all of the world religions e.g. Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism etc., be the result of God’s doing, in view of the fact that they reject the following: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me”? Either one of those religions is from God, or all of them, or what Jesus said was true, which of course would include all people regardless of religious affiliation, if they choose to believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him. Your thoughts?

 

[Tom_Baum]

You might have a point. However, how could all of the world religions e.g. Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism etc., be the result of God’s doing, in view of the fact that they reject the following: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me”? Either one of those religions is from God, or all of them, or what Jesus said was true, which of course would include all people regardless of religious affiliation, if they choose to believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him. Your thoughts?

Did you notice that Jesus said, “I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except thru Me.”, He did NOT say, 'no one comes to God except thru Me"?

 

[Bahaitruth]

Yes, I think there is only one correct religion with the Truth, but **first ** we have to define what exactly do we mean by the word “religion” and what is the definition of “one”, and what is the definition of “Truth”, and of course don’t forget the definition of the word “only” and “with”.

So we can continue this discussion if people from their perspectives describe what they mean by these words:

1. Only = ?
2. One = ?
3. Correct = ?
4. Religion = ?
5. With = ?
6. the Truth = ?

 

[ffg]

You might have a point. However, how could all of the world religions e.g. Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism etc., be the result of God’s doing, in view of the fact that they reject the following: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me”? Either one of those religions is from God, or all of them, or what Jesus said was true, which of course would include all people regardless of religious affiliation, if they choose to believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him. Your thoughts?

This is where people who are not Catholic and asking questions might go nuts, when Catholics define a specific teaching and say, ‘see there, that’s it!’

If ‘all you had to do was’ - “if they choose to believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him.”

That would be great, but it’s not.

the ‘rest of the story’ (Thanks Paul Harvey) is to understand there is a ‘then’

If - then

If they choose to believe the above - THEN they must follow the entirety of Jesus’ teachings, which are many, and completely housed in the Catholic Church.

If one was to get to the point of the IF above, THEN they would be RICH, and to whom much is given MUCH is expected.

We SHOW our belief in God, to God, in following ALL of the teachings. Not just understanding one of them, or a few of them, and pick and choose what we want to believe.

 

[Nabooru]

The existence of one true religion might make us uncomfortable in these modern politically correct times, but that doesn’t negate its veracity. I was a relativist for a long time in my New Age days, but that bubble popped since it just can’t hold water. In the end I was just proclaiming everything to be true while at the same time holding it to be false, since it all contradicted each other.