only one correct religion with the truth?

[Darryl_B]

The Word of God contains All Truth. All Truth can be found in all the worlds Great Religions.

The ability to see this Truth depends a lot upon the level of ones detachment to this world and the Love of God these attributes are also important “purity of motive, freedom of spirit and a sanctity of heart”.

I hope I can find some of that

As the Bible says there was a time when the word was closed up and there will be a time when it is open - The revelation of the Bab opened the Gate to this meaning Baha’u’llah flooded the world with it.

Regards Tony

Actually, the only Bab, Bahu’u’llah flood I’ve seen, is you. And I say that seriously, Tony.

 

[rinnie]

I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?

It depends if you agree with the word of God. Jesus said upon this rock I will build my Church. He build his Church on Peter.

Do you believe its true you must confess your sins? Jesus said you must, other religions said no you don’t

Do you feel you must obey the commandments? And on and on.

If you want to follow me and my thoughts how can my thoughts be the same as God. No one knows the mind of God?

You either follow him or humans. Its your choice.

 

[rinnie]

The most amazing thing about the rejection of Religion is that the most devoted/devout believers in religion are usually the first to reject the new message of God

History proves this to be undeniable

A Prophet can come and show all the wonders of God and reveal verses of Majesty. The followers of this Prophet can evince the most perfect morality and service to God and Humanity and be so transformed as to be a new people. Yet the rejection continues and continues and continues.

We can go back through History for Thousand of Years and prove this to be Fact.

Oh that one could see that the Love of God and Devotion to this His Causes is what it is, that is Devotion to the Truth. It is the Fruit that the Holy Books talk about. If this is rotten fruit, then all that have practiced a Faith in the past are just rotten fruit.

Look beyond Dogma into the Love and Oneness of God, be united in this Love and work the works that can achieve a unity of thought!

God bless all and May Gods Will be Done!

Regards Tony

Tell me tony how do you believe this is possible to look beyond dogma. Dogma is the core principles that are to be held by faith.

How as a Christian can you look at Christ and his teaching especially his most important teaching Love one another as I have loved you?

Dogma of the Catholic faith and teaching is nothing but love and fullness and oneness of God and how to achieve it though his Church. How can you look past that?

You cannot achieve unity with Christ though thought alone. Christ told us faith without works is fruitless.

How can anyone know Christ without knowing the dogma of faith?

 

[Peter_J]

Except that for the most part (the Episcopal Church being the major exception–and the policies of our current PB are making it more of one) they don’t exist in parallel with each other. They exist in different places. If you move from England to America and want to remain within the Communion, you attend the Episcopal Church instead of the C of E (OK–it’s a bit more complicated now with the ACNA, which would very much like to be recognized by the Communion and is recognized by some parts of it). If you then move to Uganda, you are now part of the Anglican Church of Uganda.

Exactly. Hence why I want to distinguish between objections to sui iuris churches as such, and objections to overlapping jurisdictions.

Out of people who are well-acquainted with this issue (not that such people necessarily post on internet discussion fora, but I like to think we have a few of them here ) I doubt that very many see overlapping jurisdiction as how-it-should-be … more like The Long Shadow Of John Ireland (2015 Oscar hopeful).

 

[Contarini]

Exactly. Hence why I want to distinguish between objections to sui iuris churches as such, and objections to overlapping jurisdictions.

Out of people who are well-acquainted with this issue (not that such people necessarily post on internet discussion fora, but I like to think we have a few of them here ) I doubt that very many see overlapping jurisdiction as how-it-should-be … more like The Long Shadow Of John Ireland (2015 Oscar hopeful).

Indeed. But I’d push this further. If “sui juris churches” are territorial, why should all areas that received the Gospel originally from Rome be part of the Roman “sui juris church”? Doesn’t the logic of “sui juris churches” actually lead to the formation of sui juris churches throughout the world–a North American, Latin American, African, etc.,sui juris church?

When you say that sort of thing to Catholics, they say in horror, “It sounds like Anglicanism!”

The funny thing is that something like the model I’d like to see was shot down recently (the “Anglican Covenant”) because Episcopalians and other liberal Anglicans thought it was “too much like Rome.”

So no, I’m not saying that Rome should imitate the present dysfunctions of the Anglican Communion. I’m saying that the solution for Anglican disunity and lack of discipline and Roman overcentralization may turn out to be the same model. On the other hand, I recognize that no model is really a solution and that the Catholic Church has what matters, ecclesiologically speaking, and Anglicans don’t.

Edwin

 

[Peter_J]

Indeed. But I’d push this further. If “sui juris churches” are territorial, why should all areas that received the Gospel originally from Rome be part of the Roman “sui juris church”? Doesn’t the logic of “sui juris churches” actually lead to the formation of sui juris churches throughout the world–a North American, Latin American, African, etc.,sui juris church?

I don’t know if I could find this online, but I do recall that Pope Benedict once described how various patriarchates could be formed out of the Latin Church.

But that aside, it should also be born in mind that Greek Catholics Churches, and some Oriental Catholic Churches, have Orthodox “mother churches”. That’s not to say that we should “go home” to them, but just to recognize that we aren’t 100% at ease remaining in the Roman Communion.

 

[tonyfish58]

Actually, the only Bab, Bahu’u’llah flood I’ve seen, is you. And I say that seriously, Tony.

It may be that there is only a few of us on CAF

Most are not in Cyber space, but I am remote with very few people around me, thus the Love of God is shared on the Net.

God bless you all! May your love of God know no boundaries!

Regards Tony

 

[Darryl_B]

It may be that there is only a few of us on CAF

Most are not in Cyber space, but I am remote with very few people around me, thus the Love of God is shared on the Net.

God bless you all! May your love of God know no boundaries!

Regards Tony

It might also be there there is only a few of you world-wide. I am not seeing historically the spread of your prophet’s message as much as I see the Christian gospel being spread and absorbed even since it’s initial reception in the book of Acts.

Would that then not be a witness to the power of that message?

 

[tonyfish58]

Tell me tony how do you believe this is possible to look beyond dogma. Dogma is the core principles that are to be held by faith.

How as a Christian can you look at Christ and his teaching especially his most important teaching Love one another as I have loved you?

Dogma of the Catholic faith and teaching is nothing but love and fullness and oneness of God and how to achieve it though his Church. How can you look past that?

You cannot achieve unity with Christ though thought alone. Christ told us faith without works is fruitless.

How can anyone know Christ without knowing the dogma of faith?

Now that Rinnie is a great Question as the questions are all ultimately connected

The whole purpose why God created us and gave us life is to Know and to Love God, all Sacred Scriptures attest to this in various ways. To achieve this we must Love His Presence and Follow His Word. (In the time of Christ, Christ was the way the Truth and the Light, no one could come to God except through Him. There is a Greater Covenant that God has with man, it is that we have to accept the next prophet)

The Word of God is there to ultimately unite us under the One and Only God as One Human Race on this planet Earth.

So who created Dogma that would take us away from this Aim? Was it God or was it Man?

With the keys given by Baha’u’llah it is possible to look beyond Dogma back the the Core reason for existence.

You and I, and everyone else is here to Know and Love God. God does not exclude, we do! When one reads Scripture with this core Principal in mind and lets go of preconceived ideas, the Books of God take on Unity and Oneness, that start speaking the One Truth they start pointing to the One God.

Thus when one has tried this path, as you have said “Christ and his teaching especially his most important teaching Love one another as I have loved you” becomes a passion of the Heart a passion you want to share with the whole World. The removal of the Barriers becomes a reality!

Thus it could be said - Faith is the Knowledge and the Love of the One and only God through His Word and the Fruits are making this a reality for Mankind!

God Bless all and may we all Love God without any Barriers! Or at least let us all Love God and learn to do it together.

Regards Tony

 

[Contarini]

It might also be there there is only a few of you world-wide. I am not seeing historically the spread of your prophet’s message as much as I see the Christian gospel being spread and absorbed even since it’s initial reception in the book of Acts.

Would that then not be a witness to the power of that message?

I think that argument from numbers is a bad idea.

I do think that the numbers say something (in my opinion the flaw of Bahai is that it’s tailor-made to take the good stuff from the other monotheistic traditions and leave the bad, which gives it a rather “artificial” feeling. Paradoxically, the historic grubbiness of both Christianity and Islam gives them more power). But just by themselves they’re a poor argument.

Edwin

 

[tonyfish58]

It might also be there there is only a few of you world-wide. I am not seeing historically the spread of your prophet’s message as much as I see the Christian gospel being spread and absorbed even since it’s initial reception in the book of Acts.

Would that then not be a witness to the power of that message?

Consider is this not all foretold? Could it be that the dead in Christ rise First!

The spread of the Faith of the Bab was like wildfire, those times amazing in the annals of Religious Growth. Of course the Muslim Divines of the age did as all in the past have and rejected the message. They rejected it with vengeance and in the land of its birth still do. It is written had the divines not done this the Faith would already be established. Did they extinguish this Faith, no as with all True Religion they only fanned the Flames.

The numbers currently may seem insignificant, but the Faith is the 2nd most widespread religion in the world. This geographical distribution is a seed that will soon flourish into a mighty tree. It has begun IMHO!

There are consequences for rejecting Gods Word, the world as it is today is reaping what it has sown! Baha’u’llah sent letters to the rulers and religions proclaiming what mankind was waiting for was now here, all but one rejected the message. More letters were written foretelling what this rejection would bring to mankind! All this is available if one wishes to look.

This is from the Pen of Baha’u’llah “The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody”. Link - reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-61.html

God Bless - regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

I think that argument from numbers is a bad idea.

I do think that the numbers say something (in my opinion the flaw of Bahai is that it’s tailor-made to take the good stuff from the other monotheistic traditions and leave the bad, which gives it a rather “artificial” feeling. Paradoxically, the historic grubbiness of both Christianity and Islam gives them more power). But just by themselves they’re a poor argument. Edwin

Consider what is of God - Good or Bad

Regards Tony

 

[Darryl_B]

I think that argument from numbers is a bad idea.

I do think that the numbers say something (in my opinion the flaw of Bahai is that it’s tailor-made to take the good stuff from the other monotheistic traditions and leave the bad, which gives it a rather “artificial” feeling. Paradoxically, the historic grubbiness of both Christianity and Islam gives them more power). But just by themselves they’re a poor argument.

Edwin

I was not arguing numbers. I am arguing power and practicality of the message further to the argument already presented, which is the fulfilment (making complete, finished) of the gospel.

“Grubbiness” will always occur where there is mankind. Sad but true. Fallen is after all fallen. In the perfect world we would not need saving?

 

[tonyfish58]

“Grubbiness” will always occur where there is mankind. Sad but true. Fallen is after all fallen. In the perfect world we would not need saving?

Amen!

Regards Tony

 

[Lokadottir]

Catholic means Universal. Your definitions of “Morally Right” and “only” are what’s wrong.

Prove it. Without using a Bible or Catechism.

 

[Gary_Sheldrake]

I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?

I would offer the idea that direct experience of God In one’s own life without regard to cultural templates or mental constructs is the one true religion, and it follows that this is possible and occurs in every religion. Likewise, the process of alienation from the direct experience of life and God as manifest in the world around us and the world within us through intellectualization, dogma and attending theories as to who is right and who is wrong, is the means by which every religion has the capacity to be the wrong religion. Whether one’s religion is right or wrong is perhaps largely a matter of practical application rather than affiliation.

 

[Matthew_Light]

I would offer the idea that direct experience of God In one’s own life without regard to cultural templates or mental constructs is the one true religion, and it follows that this is possible and occurs in every religion. Likewise, the process of alienation from the direct experience of life and God as manifest in the world around us and the world within us through intellectualization, dogma and attending theories as to who is right and who is wrong, is the means by which every religion has the capacity to be the wrong religion. Whether one’s religion is right or wrong is perhaps largely a matter of practical application rather than affiliation.

Christ seemed to be pointing at this distinction between beliefs and actualization, for example when He told us:

"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:21-23

 

[chero23]

I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?

Your wrong, because God said in Matthew 16:18, my church, not churches. He also said in Matthew 28:20, that he would always be with them. In Matthew 18:18, he says when you have a problem take it to the Church? What Church?
Let’s use an example, church a, says no to abortion no matter why you want to have it. Church b says if it was a rape, baby has problems in the womb you can have an abortion, church c says it’s your body you can do whatever you want. Church d says, oh you said the sinners prayer, no matter what you do your saved.

So think about it, there has to be 1 right answer, but there’s 4 answers. See people want to go were the Church fits them, but it should be what church truly talks about God, even if it corrects me, but I know that it is for the better.

All churches are not right

 

[Lokadottir]

Christ seemed to be pointing at this distinction between beliefs and actualization, for example when He told us:

"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:21-23

See this is something that backs up my ideas on that if in the end I AM wrong.
If I am wrong then there are two possibilities:
A: The Christian God is the loving god he claims to be and he will respect the fact that I lived my life with honor and sought what fulfilled my spiritual needs.
or
B: God will damn me in the greatest act of jealous ex’s in history, the “God of Love” is petty and I wanted no part of heaven in the first place.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

See this is something that backs up my ideas on that if in the end I AM wrong.
If I am wrong then there are two possibilities:
A: The Christian God is the loving god he claims to be and he will respect the fact that I lived my life with honor and sought what fulfilled my spiritual needs.
or
B: God will damn me in the greatest act of jealous ex’s in history, the “God of Love” is petty and I wanted no part of heaven in the first place.

God loves you so much that he did offer his only Son to die for you, nevertheless it is your choice, from a Christian per–
spective, to partake of God’s offer, and be saved, for quoting Scripture now, “God so loved the world, that he gave up his
only-begotten Son, so that those who believe in him may not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:16).

Please pardon the wording here, but if you don’t want God, you don’t get God, and that is an eternal decision. God is all
Good, anything apart from God is Bad, and God has a place to separate the Bad from the Good.

Quoting Scripture again: Jesus answered, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except
through me” (John 14:6). So God is the ONLY means of salvation, and he literally is offering himself on a silver platter for
you to accept him.

Final Words: As a former Pagan, I urge you to accept Christianity and the God who died for you, now, because there are
two possible ways to become Christian. Either you accept and surrender to Christ or you resist him until you break, the
latter being a VERY UNPLEASANT process. Seriously, it’s scary, for me I realized, “Oh my God, I’m going Hell!” and it
took a while before I was laid again on green pastures by gentle streams. God is very merciful, but if you REFUSE his
mercy . . . (you know). :sad_yes: