only one correct religion with the truth?

[tonyfish58]

The age old rejection of God is that His Revelation is ended at certain times. The Jews have claimed this, the Christians have Claimed this and the Muslims have Claimed this.

But Life goes on another message has been revealed and in each Revelation how this can be so has been explained to all that have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

Is it the Revelations of God that have ceased, or is it the vision of man that has stopped looking.

To all this need lots of meditation

God Bless and Regards tony

 

[PRmerger]

The age old rejection of God is that His Revelation is ended at certain times.

This is a nonsequitur.

To say that His Revelation was completed in the Incarnated Godhead is not to reject God.

How dare you even suggest that the entirety of Christendom, which professes the end of Revelation, has rejected God.

I ask that you retract your statement.

 

[KathleenGee]

Well, then it is a toss up.

How would you choose one from the other as truth?

However, true faith has the element of certitude of faith. Ours is that we do not just rely on the Law, we do in terms of obeying the commandments given by Moses. But ours is a new life in Christ that fulfills the Law and gives us liberty to be, to endure all no matter the circumstances surrounding us, with the joy and life of Christ within.

 

[tonyfish58]

This is a nonsequitur.

To say that His Revelation was completed in the Incarnated Godhead is not to reject God.

How dare you even suggest that the entirety of Christendom, which professes the end of Revelation, has rejected God.

I ask that you retract your statement.

Dear PRmerger - I am sorry you are Mad, but that is no reason for me to retract that statement.

The Jews have not accepted Christ, would you then say by this rejection that they have thus rejected God. This can be said at the same time that you are aware that they Worship the One True God.

Dear Friend, I am aware you worship the One True God

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

Well, then it is a toss up.

How would you choose one from the other as truth?

However, true faith has the element of certitude of faith. Ours is that we do not just rely on the Law, we do in terms of obeying the commandments given by Moses. But ours is a new life in Christ that fulfills the Law and gives us liberty to be, to endure all no matter the circumstances surrounding us, with the joy and life of Christ within.

Truth is Truth no matter where it is Found.

It is us that tries to contain it, but how can we.

An example is this. (Story truncated in my own words)

The Bab was asked to write a commentary on a passage from the Koran. Without thought or contemplation the Bab revealed 3 thousand verses on the meaning of the the letter V which was at the start of that passage.

How little we know of the power of Gods Word!

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[Matthew_Light]

The Jews have not accepted Christ, would you then say by this rejection that they have thus rejected God.

I would not say that.

God is no respecter of religious affiliation. The heart that is most loving and purest is in the best condition. Belonging to one religious group rather than another is not the divine standard.

 

[Wuggums47]

I’m a Catholic, and while I think it is wrong to impede on anyone else’s religious freedom (I wouldn’t want them doing it to me), I believe wholeheartedly that Catholicism is the right religion. If you think about it logically, if all the religions say something different, then they all can’t be right, unless it’s also possible for the statements “I am a human” and “I am a dog” to be right when it’s said by the same person. Both statements conflict eachother, and if either are correct, then one refutes the other. Similarly I don’t think I can be right when I say Jesus is the messiah, and at the same time the Jewish people are right when they say the messiah is still coming, and the buddhists are right when they say there is no God or Messiah. However I feel that even though I believe my path is correct, or I wouldn’t have chosen it, I recognize that the Jewish people and the Buddhists are happy with their beliefs, and it is not my right to tell them not to practice.

 

[KathleenGee]

Tonyfish, I don’t know quite how to take what you are saying some times.

It is through Christ that the material world was created, and Christ answered Pilate that His name was/is ‘Truth’. So from this point of view, I would agree with you that Truth can be found in all of creation.

I remember asking my teacher what did Christ mean when He said He was ‘Truth’. The priest replied, simply referring to a student who was searching for God…and said in his reflections about life that God is the only constant that doesn’t change…and Catholic teachings do not change as to Who Christ is, and the practice of our faith.

 

[Peter_Plato]

The age old rejection of God is that His Revelation is ended at certain times. The Jews have claimed this, the Christians have Claimed this and the Muslims have Claimed this.

But Life goes on another message has been revealed and in each Revelation how this can be so has been explained to all that have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

Is it the Revelations of God that have ceased, or is it the vision of man that has stopped looking.

To all this need lots of meditation

God Bless and Regards tony

Revelations, as public phenomena, have ceased because Christ has become man. The “vision” seeking of man has been transcended. Man need no longer seek God because God has incarnated himself in humanity as the very means by which the seeking and finding are fulfilled.

This passage from Just Thomism might provide some insight.

The bold-faced portions are key

Assume you and I get together to speak about God. We might even be doing it now. God thus becomes an object outside of our dialogue and so is third person. Now assume we are having the same discussion in beatitude. According to St. Thomas, God is no longer third person because the very idea by which we understand him is God. God, says St. Thomas, becomes not just the object we know but the intelligible form by which we know him. It is thus impossible for God in beatitude to be third personal, and so he fits exactly Buber’s description of the Eternal Thou. Some other saint might be referred to third personally, but God himself cannot be.

In fact, it is only in beatitude, I think, that we can have an adequate and unified epistemology. So far all other attempts to unify the second person in a non-reductive manner have not been promising. Philosophy demands both objectivity and totality but it’s hard to see how including a robust sense of the second person can include both. We haven’t even figured out how the first person can be included in the scheme.

The same issues that arise for philosophy as a means of “knowing” God, are issues for revelation as a means of God making himself known. Revelation is third-person. Christ has taken to himself human nature. God himself, in Christ become man, is the means by which we come to know God. Revelation, as third party “knowing” has become superfluous.

”I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me. Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world has not known thee, but I have known thee; and these know that thou hast sent me. I made known to them thy name, and I will make it known, that the love with which thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.” (John 17:20-26)

 

[tonyfish58]

I would not say that.

God is no respecter of religious affiliation. The heart that is most loving and purest is in the best condition. Belonging to one religious group rather than another is not the divine standard.

Mathew - Thank you for the observation, the statement should be further clarified that it was the New Signs of God that were rejected and not God as such.

“O SON OF SPIRIT! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting.” reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/HW/hw-2.html

God bless and regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

Tonyfish, I don’t know quite how to take what you are saying some times.

It is through Christ that the material world was created, and Christ answered Pilate that His name was/is ‘Truth’. So from this point of view, I would agree with you that Truth can be found in all of creation.

I remember asking my teacher what did Christ mean when He said He was ‘Truth’. The priest replied, simply referring to a student who was searching for God…and said in his reflections about life that God is the only constant that doesn’t change…and Catholic teachings do not change as to Who Christ is, and the practice of our faith.

I am just a simple folk and at times fall well short of making my explanation clear, so I fully understand your observation.

Your explanation as to Christ and Creation is what I too believe!

I would add this thought - In making that simple statement about Christ and Creation, it is obvious that it is far more complex than just saying that is so.

God bless and regards Tony

 

[Peter_Plato]

I would not say that.

God is no respecter of religious affiliation. The heart that is most loving and purest is in the best condition. Belonging to one religious group rather than another is not the divine standard.

Christ did not found a religion, he founded the Body of believers who are in communion with the Spirit. That Body is the Church, the Ecclesia, that is animated by the Holy Spirit and nourished by the Body and Blood of Christ - the Feast of Heaven to which all are invited but for which all must be prepared by grace.

 

[Servant19]

If you reduce to spirit, then you reduce to text but what is the actual reality?

True faith is not living by sight…how many times we judge a person by appearance and then either ostracize that person or condemn them?

The reality as a Catholic is that we die to ourselves and we put on the new life of Christ Who lives within us…and then you go back to Christ’s physical coming to us. The Hebrews could not figure out how to moderate and direct their lives. God gave them the 10 commandments. Confucius could perceive 7 relating to neighbor, but could not discover revelation of who God is.

Judaism is 5600 years old, and the Hebrews were as little children who needed guidance and discipline, law and order and to worship God in the way He wanted.

For man to try to figure God out without authentic prophets and teachers serving the gathering of people, quoting St. Thomas Aquinas, is placing the eye of an owl (that works in darkness) next to the sun.

Revelation was completed with Jesus Christ.

Hello Kathleen, thank you for your thoughts

If you notice I quoted in my post that it is by spirit, NOT by sight that we are to live.

So can you tell me why the physical aspect of anything is good for your physical aspect as a human?

You “put on the new life of Christ who lives within” you. Is this new life in spiritual form or in physical form. If physical form is in any way involved here, how do you develop physically? Bigger muscles? Better digestion? What exactly.

I mean no offence with this question, I am sincerely trying to align your understanding with reason

Thank you and God bless you

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[Servant19]

Christ did not found a religion, he founded the Body of believers who are in communion with the Spirit. That Body is the Church, the Ecclesia, that is animated by the Holy Spirit and nourished by the Body and Blood of Christ - the Feast of Heaven to which all are invited but for which all must be prepared by grace.

Hi Peter, what is the difference between a religion and a body of believers?



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[Servant19]

Well, then it is a toss up.

How would you choose one from the other as truth?
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Well I keep asking this question but never seem to get an answer…

What is it that made Peter declare Jesus to be the Son of the Living God?

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[Peter_Plato]

Hi Peter, what is the difference between a religion and a body of believers?



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Being conformed to and moved by the Holy Spirit. The same difference that exists between a body belonging to any human in a fallen state and the human body of Jesus Christ.

It isn’t an indefinite “a” in front of Body of believers in reference to the Church, it is the definite article “the” because the Church is one in Christ, body and spirit. There is only one Christ.

 

[Peter_Plato]

You “put on the new life of Christ who lives within” you. Is this new life in spiritual form or in physical form. If physical form is in any way involved here, how do you develop physically? Bigger muscles? Better digestion? What exactly.

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Adam and Eve were perfect pre-Fall. Mary was Immaculate. Jesus was the perfect Imago Dei. We do not “develop” physically, we are perfected.

What you seem to think is that to be perfect involves exiting the physical realm. That is a Manichaean idea. The Judeo-Christian teaching has always been that humans are physical and spiritual, not physical to become spiritual.

God’s perfect image became man in Christ. Human perfection and communion with God does not mean an abandonment of the physical. Our resurrection will be a bodily one. The Creeds assert this.

 

[KathleenGee]

My body is my trial to choose God and His Spirit that led Peter to say what he did before Our Lord.

God created bodies, the earth as good. It is sin that had its impact on the world, warping it and you seem to have a good sense of the perversion of the body.

We consume the Word Made Flesh. And the response at the end of Mass is to go out to serve our neighbor, and creation.

Finally there is this promise of a New Jerusalem where we will have a new heaven and earth, doing away with the old, so that we can return to the Garden of the Lord to replace the former Eden.

I had a visit with old Catholic friends who I met when first coming to this state. The father has a big garden out back and he loves to garden and reflect on life and the Lord out there. He shared that his observation of people’s yearnings is that they are desiring to be in the Garden, they have this primordial desire to return to the Garden but cannot and so look at all sorts of false promises and constructs and bad leads in this world that tempt them to think they are gardens when in reality they are pits of death.

 

[Servant19]

My body is my trial to choose God and His Spirit that led Peter to say what he did before Our Lord.

God created bodies, the earth as good. It is sin that had its impact on the world, warping it and you seem to have a good sense of the perversion of the body.

We consume the Word Made Flesh. And the response at the end of Mass is to go out to serve our neighbor, and creation.

Finally there is this promise of a New Jerusalem where we will have a new heaven and earth, doing away with the old, so that we can return to the Garden of the Lord to replace the former Eden.

I had a visit with old Catholic friends who I met when first coming to this state. The father has a big garden out back and he loves to garden and reflect on life and the Lord out there. He shared that his observation of people’s yearnings is that they are desiring to be in the Garden, they have this primordial desire to return to the Garden but cannot and so look at all sorts of false promises and constructs and bad leads in this world that tempt them to think they are gardens when in reality they are pits of death.

Hi Kathleen, thank you again. May I ask what you believe to be a “perversion of the body”?
Can you give me some tangible examples please?



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[KathleenGee]

Examples of perversion to the body: carnal use for free sex, diseases, alcohol and substance abuse addiction to one 's body, lying, stealing, committing sacrileges and blasphemies with the body, coveting, murder. All that is done by a perverted body which is the force of sin…based on death and lie.

Christ is the opposite and restores our bodies to grace and goodness in Truth.

Truth cannot be found in philosophy or an orientation in life because the human body is not perfect, the human mind is limited, and the body is weak that leads us to sin. So nobody out there on their own, no human being can bring us to perfection with good bodies.

Truth is a moral value, and we still need a person. But there is no one capable.

Only Christ is Truth Who has morality, Who teaches, Who redeems and restores.