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Lokadottir
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explain please?
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explain please?
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Bernard_Lyons
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This “book” you are referring to ,has throughout history ,proven to be interwoven with the vast ,all encompassing ,events of humanity.
Believe it or not ,the very freedoms ( although these same freedoms are now vanishing ,and that,as fast as an express train.Why ? because of the neglecting of these same oracles of God ,even the forgetting and the denial of he who is " the Word of God ")
that you are now using and enjoying (in your mocking him)
This liberty is directly connected to the progress of “the good news” contained within the sacred pages,made known by the preaching ( by Godly men ,ordained of God) of this glorious Gospel ; and that into every nation,tribe and tongueUpon the face of the earth .
And so :delivering from bondage from death and from Satan ( whether individually, or nationally) unto the “glorious liberty of the children of God”.
You might ( rightly) respond ,that hatred ,murders and extortion have followed too,but that great counterfeiter: called Satan and the devil. (though these are but descriptive terms ,he has no actual name) is ever following in the footsteps and mimics revealed truth,( we were warned of it in the “book”) and throughout the night(while men slept) he is busy planting his tares.
Think not that I judge you ,but as one who at one time was " alien " ( or a stranger) to “the commonwealth of God” but am now brought nigh(or near) by the “blood of the lamb”
I merely commend this same word to your consideration and will leave the almighty,creator,God to defend himself and his own (revealed) truth.
If you where in Britain( perhaps your country too) you might pick out any coin from your pocket and observe a date imprinted on it .
Even all our own dates and times commence,historically from the time when it was said " now is the judgement of this world"
When was this ?
At the cross of Golgotha.
Focus rather all your attention ,toward this unique tree,and the record of it ,in the “book”
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Lokadottir
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- Don’t confuse the results of politics, war, aggressive prostelytizing, and sometimes straight up persecution with those of a compilation of words. Some converted willingly. Some died for their Gods.
- Pretty much ALL democracy came from Pagan cultures. MONARCHY is what spread with the “good news.”
- The profusion of Christianity in Western culture is a poor reason for credibility otherwise Christianity never would have gotten of the ground to begin with.
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oldcatholicguy
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You do understand that one can easily find a form of monarchy in pretty much every culture right? Like the pagan Norse and Germanic cultures for example.
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Tarquin
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And human sacrifice, cannibalism, and promiscuous sex, not just mob rule and riot.
Amen. The good news of representative government, the building of universities and hospitals, advancement in agricultural techniques and food distribution, and more stable family relations. Unless you are speaking of a specific, and uncommon, species of Pagan.
Christians led the movement to end slavery, not pagans. Christianity developed national and world-wide charities to care for the sick, hungry, terminally ill, uneducated and poor (I mean dirt poor, not black-and-white tv instead of color tv poor). Pagans hardly lifted a finger in those enterprises, and in fact obstructed progress.
I just say that as a general observation and not to demonize particular pagans or to sanctify all Christians universally. The general truth is, Christianity has advanced human society despite the backward and self-important attitudes of pagans who, when they did succeed in attaining high office and influence, made things worse, at least so goes the current political “liturgy” about the 20th century examples.
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Contarini
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God is the ultimate Reality behind all beings, gods or humans or whatever. God is not one being among others, but Being itself. Hence, it makes sense (once it’s revealed to us) that God would not be a single “person,” and indeed that the concept of “person” wouldn’t apply to God in quite the same way as to us, although God is personal (i.e., not lacking in the qualities that we ascribe to persons).
If I weren’t a Trinitarian Christian, I would be a Buddhist (or possibly a pagan like you but with a Buddhist metaphysic underlying it). The idea that there is one more-or-less-human-like person who is omnipotent and created everything makes no sense to me at all.
Edwin
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DelsonJacobs
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As a Catholic I truly believe that there is only one true Church established and founded by Christ. I joined that Church because I believe this.
But is the Catholic Church the one religion with the truth? No. It is the one true Church, but God’s truth can be found in other churches, though incomplete it may be for one reason or another.–Catechism of the Catholic Church 838-845.
God’s truth is also not limited to churches or religions. As Romans 1:19-20 tells us, truths like the existence of a Creator can be ascertained by the witness of creation itself. Even those who do not practice any particular religion can testify to certain truths attested to by the common witness of the innate human conscience.–See Romans 2:14-15.
The Bible itself teaches that religious truth is not limited to the witness of the Church or Scripture. The testimony of creation demonstrates that God cannot and will not be limited by denominational lines to bring truth to others.–Psalm 19:1-4.
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Peter_J
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Well said.
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drblank1
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If Jesus claims to be the Way, the Truth, and the Life and the NO ONE comes to the Father through Him, and that is not true, then what does that make Jesus and Christianity?
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” 1 John 2:22, 23
Do you notice is says if you deny Jesus, you do not have Father?
It is a hard thing to image, John says that anyone who denies Christ, is an anti-Christ. I know the “flesh” wants to believe there is more than one way to God, but Christ is the only way. And in my faith, that is not a lie.
Notice I am not decerning between Catholic and Protestant, but Christian, Muslim, Buddist, ect…
Universalism (can you say Joel Osteen) is a heresy, plain and simple.
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Tarpeian
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Tarpeian
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There is no other church. Anything outside of Holy Mother Church is a sect.
Pax,
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Contarini
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In that case it would clearly be a sin to be a Catholic. Or at least, a near occasion of sin.
Edwin
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tonyfish58
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It would be worth thinking about the comments you have made
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.
Is it about the Love of God, or I have the greatest Religion?
God Bless - regards Tony
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aragonjohn1
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the only church that truly has the claim to the fullness of Truth is the Catholic Church.It would be worth thinking about the comments you have made
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.
Is it about the Love of God, or I have the greatest Religion?
God Bless - regards Tony
God is her Founder.
yes, this is just like fulton Sheen said on lifie is worth living “no one “nice” will enter heaven” so those who are “bad” and those who love and want Love will enter by the narrow path; in summary of what he says.
“Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” agree;
“about the Love of God” yes all God creates is Love and what is not of God is sin/wages of death.
God bless
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DelsonJacobs
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My apologies, but I was using the word “church” to represent the following:
church noun \ˈchərch\
a body or organization of religious believers: as
a : the whole body of Christians
b : denomination
c : congregation
–from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, American English entry “3.”
By use of this term I was not making an argument contrary to the point you are making. I was merely using English idiom in which “church” can be used to represent the above-mentioned. It meant nothing more or less.
If American English did not allow me to use this term in this sense or we spoke another language where such idiom did not exist, I could see your point for stating this.
However if you still feel this use incorrect then kindly note that as I am not the inventor of the language we are currently using, your argument is not with me.
But don’t let this keep you from forwarding your complaint to those who promote and use American English (you will have my full support in doing so)…Any English teacher I had while attending school might be appropriate for receiving such a complaint, as long as it was written clearly and in ink on a 3 x 5 index card–
–except for Sister Maria Blanchette. She was wonderful. Very short. Needed a stool to reach halfway up the blackboard when writing on it, but a wonderful teacher nonetheless. But come to think of it she favored the Merriam-Webster Dictionary too, hmmm…
And yes, I am being purposefully facetious here. But you’re the one arguing over a properly acceptable use of the word in English. So please be kind when you report this.
Perhaps if you were to show me where my use is forbidden by Church dogma then I promise to recant and destroy my post by properly burning it and burying the ashes. (Just kidding here too…unless that will make you feel better.)
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TarkanAttila
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Let’s consider the Eucharist.
Is the Eucharist really the Body and Blood of Jesus, or a mere symbol?
This is not a cover-all, but it is usually a good enough example.
If Jesus is Really There where appear bread and wine, and you do not worship Him for being able to make this miracle - or for rising from the dead and saving us from our sins - how ungrateful you are acting, and how hurt our Lord must be that you do not recognise Him for who He is!
But if we are in the wrong, if we Catholics think God is in the wafer and He is not - how hurt God must be that we do not worship Him but an illusion!
Jesus said once: “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” If Jesus is God, however you wish to dice it, would He not want us to at least get the fundamental Truth about what God is and what He is not right? Was that not why He gave Moses the Laws at Sinai? Was that not why He commissioned the slaughter of idolaters in the face of his extremely idol-addicted people, Israel? Is that not why He forbade idols at all - because He desires us to know, first, “I am the Lord your God; you shall have no other gods before Me?”
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Nogginer
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Hello ggarcia19,
Not all religions can be true at the same time. It is logically impossible. Many religions directly contradict each other (i.e. Christianity: Jesus is God, Islam: Jesus is not God) and no one can function in this world or make any sense of it if they truly believed that something can both be true and not true at the same time, just because two people have different opinions on the matter. Truth is truth. Falsehood is Falsehood.
Here is an example (not an analogy–an example–this directly relates):
There is a guy named Bob and a guy named Joe. Bob says the world is flat. Joe says the world is round. Is it morally wrong for Joe to think that he is right and Bob is wrong? Of course not. That being said, Joe should not be nasty about it and call Bob a liar. That would be morally wrong. Rather, he should assume that poor Bob is just misinformed and try to politely explain to him that the world is, in fact, round.
We can tell someone that they are wrong nicely, or harshly. We should try to do it nicely. Perhaps you are turned off to the idea of one true religion because you have heard too many people go about it the nasty way?
I hope you see how my Bob and Joe example is dealing with the issue at hand: Truth. There is no difference between truth in non-religious matters and truth in religious matters. (aside from the fact that religious truth is more important) Truth is truth. There can only be one true religion. I believe the true religion is Catholicism.
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Tarpeian
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No need for apologies. I was using Catholic speak and forget that not all doMy apologies, but I was using the word “church” to represent the following:
church noun \ˈchərch\
a body or organization of religious believers: as
a : the whole body of Christians
b : denomination
c : congregation
–from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, American English entry “3.”
By use of this term I was not making an argument contrary to the point you are making. I was merely using English idiom in which “church” can be used to represent the above-mentioned. It meant nothing more or less.
If American English did not allow me to use this term in this sense or we spoke another language where such idiom did not exist, I could see your point for stating this.
However if you still feel this use incorrect then kindly note that as I am not the inventor of the language we are currently using, your argument is not with me.
But don’t let this keep you from forwarding your complaint to those who promote and use American English (you will have my full support in doing so)…Any English teacher I had while attending school might be appropriate for receiving such a complaint, as long as it was written clearly and in ink on a 3 x 5 index card–
–except for Sister Maria Blanchette. She was wonderful. Very short. Needed a stool to reach halfway up the blackboard when writing on it, but a wonderful teacher nonetheless. But come to think of it she favored the Merriam-Webster Dictionary too, hmmm…
And yes, I am being purposefully facetious here. But you’re the one arguing over a properly acceptable use of the word in English. So please be kind when you report this.
Perhaps if you were to show me where my use is forbidden by Church dogma then I promise to recant and destroy my post by properly burning it and burying the ashes. (Just kidding here too…unless that will make you feel better.)
Even the previous Holy Father has reaffirmed that there is no other “church.”Pax,
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Tarpeian
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Hello Tony,It would be worth thinking about the comments you have made
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.
Is it about the Love of God, or I have the greatest Religion?
God Bless - regards Tony
I stand by my comments. Are you confusing the members with The Church?
Pax,
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PJM
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Allow me friend to add a bit of perspective here.
If one were to ask this question about the Old Testament times, I suspect, we would find very little objection to this fact.
Exodus 6:7 “And I will take you to myself for my people, I will be your God: and** you shall know that I am the Lord your God** who brought you out from the work prison of the Egyptians”
Leviticus 18:2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them: I am the Lord your God”.
There is plenty of biblical and historical evidence to support this thesis.
So God who is “Good and Perfect” did what was just: in the New Testament Christ choose to follow OT practice and tradition for: only One God with Only One Chosen people.** And it followed naturally that just in OT times there was but one true and acceptable set of beliefs and practices **
Leviticus 18:4 "You shall do my judgments, and shall observe my precepts, and shall walk in them. I am the Lord your God".
Knowing that the OT leads to the Promised Messiah who will complete, and perfect the OT why would one expect Christ [the VERY SAME PERFECT GOD] to accept more than
One God; one set of beliefs and One Church in the NT era?
There is a superabundance of biblical and historical evidence that clearly and indisputably
demonstrates that Christ continued this same philosophy, while at the same time completing and perfecting it.
EACH of these passages I will give in evidence is Christ addressing His Apostles directly and exclusively. Then ADD to this reality that for nearly ONE Thousand years; todays Catholic Church was the ONLY CC in existence anywhere in the world. [Up to the Great Easter schism]
Protestantism did not exist in a meaningful way until Luther; nearly 1,500 years after Christ Resurrection. HOW dear friend can God have waited that long to make His singular truths known. Quite impossible. And because truth MUST be singular per defined issue; which of the thousands on non-Catholic-Christian faiths is the One True Faith? Also impossible…
And where is the evidence that God is willing to accept not only different beliefs than what He gave to Peter and the Apostles to hand on; but very often contradictory faiths to Christ own. And yes this is supportable biblically.
Read Please: Noting the singular tense used by Christ
Mt. 10:1-8
Mt. 16:15-19
Mt. 18:18
John 17:14-20 [NOTE verse 18]
John 20:21 again has Christ passing His very own Powers and Authority to the Apostles
Mk. 16:14-15
Mt. 28:16-20
John.10: 16 “And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”
Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body[CHURCH] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith,[ONE SET OF BELIEFS] one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.”
Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God [SINGULAR], built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
It is a matter of “fairness”; Divine Justice demands just “One.” Amen
God Bless you,
Patrick
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