only one correct religion with the truth?

[Servant19]

My proof is that the language used in Bahai correspondence is quite flowery, and symbolic.

Of course, no one is saying that the documents are symbolic. I am sure that there are real, actual, physically present papers which talk about these incidents.

But the fact that the Bahai faith speaks in symbolic terms about a multitude of things is evidence of the symbolic sacrifices made by these honorable men and women being a sign of metaphorical love of neighbor.

The Baha’i Faith states that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a spiritual resurrection, a “spiritual body” is what we are all left with after death. This is affirmed in Mark 12:26 where He says that God raises Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to be “alive” and “living”

The Resurrection also had symbolic significance in that it provided spiritual solace and spiritual fortitude to those left behind on this earth, namely the Apostles, and they utilized this strength to spread the Gospels.

In like manner, those that died in Mazindaran, Nayriz etc did not “symbolically” die. (what does symbolic death mean anyway??? Are you saying that they are still alive physically?) They in actuality died a physical death, but they too like, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jesus are still alive, resurrected into a “spiritual body” (as attested by Paul in 1 Cor 12 and 13) and are amongst the “living”

Of course, with the Baha’i deaths, they too have a symbolic meaning. Their deaths and the blood they shed provided the impetus for the “Baha’i Gospel” to reach every corner of the globe.

I hope that reads ok? Difficult to put my thoughts into words in this matter

God bless

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[Servant19]

The Baha’i Faith states that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a spiritual resurrection, a “spiritual body” is what we are all left with after death. This is affirmed in Mark 12:26 where He says that God raises Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to be “alive” and “living”

The Resurrection also had symbolic significance in that it provided spiritual solace and spiritual fortitude to those left behind on this earth, namely the Apostles, and they utilized this strength to spread the Gospels.

In like manner, those that died in Mazindaran, Nayriz etc did not “symbolically” die. (what does symbolic death mean anyway??? Are you saying that they are still alive physically?) They in actuality died a physical death, but they too like, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jesus are still alive, resurrected into a “spiritual body” (as attested by Paul in 1 Cor 12 and 13) and are amongst the “living”

Of course, with the Baha’i deaths, they too have a symbolic meaning. Their deaths and the blood they shed provided the impetus for the “Baha’i Gospel” to reach every corner of the globe.

I hope that reads ok? Difficult to put my thoughts into words in this matter

God bless

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My apologies, the references to Paul should actually be 2Cor 5 and 1Cor 15
(and not 1Cor 12 and 13 as stated in my original post)

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[PRmerger]

I would ask you to thereby provide some evidence for your assertions dear sister PR

His name was Mírzá Áqá and **he was spirit itself. **He came from Káshán. In the days of the Báb, he was drawn to the sweet savors of God; it was then he caught fire. He was a fine youth, handsome, full of charm and grace. He was a calligrapher second to none, a poet, and he had as well a remarkable singing voice. He was wise and perceptive; staunch in the Faith of God; a flame of God’s love, severed from all but God.

A woman chaste and holy, a sign and token of surpassing beauty, a burning brand of the love of God, a lamp of His bestowal, was Jináb-i-Táhirih. 1 She was called Umm-Salmá; she was the daughter of Hájí Mullá Sálih, a mujtahid of Qazvín, and her paternal uncle was Mullá Taqí, the Imám-Jum’ih or leader of prayers in the cathedral mosque of that city. They married her to Mullá Muhammad, the son of Mullá Taqí, and she gave birth to three children, two sons and a daughter; all three were bereft of the grace that encompassed their mother, and all failed to recognize the truth of the Cause.
reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/MF/mf-54.html

 

[Servant19]

His name was Mírzá Áqá and **he was spirit itself. **He came from Káshán. In the days of the Báb, he was drawn to the sweet savors of God; it was then he caught fire. He was a fine youth, handsome, full of charm and grace. He was a calligrapher second to none, a poet, and he had as well a remarkable singing voice. He was wise and perceptive; staunch in the Faith of God; a flame of God’s love, severed from all but God.

A woman chaste and holy, a sign and token of surpassing beauty, a burning brand of the love of God, a lamp of His bestowal, was Jináb-i-Táhirih. 1 She was called Umm-Salmá; she was the daughter of Hájí Mullá Sálih, a mujtahid of Qazvín, and her paternal uncle was Mullá Taqí, the Imám-Jum’ih or leader of prayers in the cathedral mosque of that city. They married her to Mullá Muhammad, the son of Mullá Taqí, and she gave birth to three children, two sons and a daughter; all three were bereft of the grace that encompassed their mother, and all failed to recognize the truth of the Cause.
reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/MF/mf-54.html

Thank you dear sister for pointing out your perspective.

May I ask you, would you ever consider calling any of the Catholic saints as “all spirit”, or “spirit itself” and “as severed from all but God”?

Secondly, is it possible for a spirit that is a “sign and token of surpassing beauty” to give birth to three children? If so, isn’t that a miracle of greater magnitude than the Virgin Birth itself?

Please answer honestly dear sister

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[Irishgal49]

I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?

I agree.

 

[PRmerger]

I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?

I agree.

Is it possible for one religion to have at least one truth that’s right, to the exclusion of the other religions?

 

[PRmerger]

Thank you dear sister for pointing out your perspective.

May I ask you, would you ever consider calling any of the Catholic saints as “all spirit”, or “spirit itself” and “as severed from all but God”?

No. I wouldn’t call any of the Catholic saints “all spirit” or any of the above.

Not sure what your point is?

Secondly, is it possible for a spirit that is a “sign and token of surpassing beauty” to give birth to three children? If so, isn’t that a miracle of greater magnitude than the Virgin Birth itself?

Please answer honestly dear sister

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Perhaps it was only a spiritual motherhood that she had.

 

[Servant19]

No. I wouldn’t call any of the Catholic saints “all spirit” or any of the above.

Not sure what your point is?

Why do you fast during Lent dear sister? What’s the point of depriving your body of its normal nourishment?

Perhaps it was only a spiritual motherhood that she had.

What is spiritual motherhood? Can you give me an example of how one can “give birth” in this case please?

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[PRmerger]

Why do you fast during Lent dear sister? What’s the point of depriving your body of its normal nourishment?

One reason: because Jesus did.
Another reason: it is an expression of conversion of the heart, mind, soul and body to God.

What is spiritual motherhood? Can you give me an example of how one can “give birth” in this case please?

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It’s a motherhood that is not corporeal. Not an actual bodily giving birth, but rather a spiritual birth in which one gives life to another.

 

[tonyfish58]

Is it possible for one religion to have at least one truth that’s right, to the exclusion of the other religions?

The Answer has been Given by God, here is an extract from the writings of Baha’u’llah;

"…Know thou assuredly that the essence of all the Prophets of God is one and the same. Their unity is absolute. God, the Creator, saith: There is no distinction whatsoever among the Bearers of My Message. They all have but one purpose; their secret is the same secret. To prefer one in honor to another, to exalt certain ones above the rest, is in no wise to be permitted. Every true Prophet hath regarded His Message as fundamentally the same as the Revelation of every other Prophet gone before Him. If any man, therefore, should fail to comprehend this truth, and should consequently indulge in vain and unseemly language, no one whose sight is keen and whose understanding is enlightened would ever allow such idle talk to cause him to waver in his belief.

The measure of the revelation of the Prophets of God in this world, however, must differ. Each and every one of them hath been the Bearer of a distinct Message, and hath been commissioned to reveal Himself through specific acts. It is for this reason that they appear to vary in their greatness. Their Revelation may be likened unto the light of the moon that sheddeth its radiance upon the earth. Though every time it appeareth, it revealeth a fresh measure of its brightness, yet its inherent splendor can never diminish, nor can its light suffer extinction.

It is clear and evident, therefore, that any apparent variation in the intensity of their light is not inherent in the light itself, but should rather be attributed to the varying receptivity of an ever-changing world. Every Prophet Whom the Almighty and Peerless Creator hath purposed to send to the peoples of the earth hath been entrusted with a Message, and charged to act in a manner that would best meet the requirements of the age in which He appeared. God’s purpose in sending His Prophets unto men is twofold. The first is to liberate the children of men from the darkness of ignorance, and guide them to the light of true understanding. The second is to ensure the peace and tranquillity of mankind, and provide all the means by which they can be established…"

reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-34.html#pg78

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

One reason: because Jesus did.
Another reason: it is an expression of conversion of the heart, mind, soul and body to God.

Where does Jesus say that depriving the body of its physical nourishment is good for the body? Do you have a reference please?

In fact, given the importance of the body in Catholicism, is there any teaching at all that gives detailed instruction on how one can keep it disease and ailment-free?

It’s a motherhood that is not corporeal. Not an actual bodily giving birth, but rather a spiritual birth in which one gives life to another.

Well, in which case, dear sister, I value your interpretation of this historical account more so

Spiritual birth and its benefits is much more important than physical birth. Most physical problems of the physical birth can easily be overcome. Problems with spiritual birth, not so much.

So, how does your interpretation change my faith? Not at all, it strengthens it! Thankyou



In fact, any opinion you wish to share about the Baha’i teachings, I will value and hold dear



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[PRmerger]

Where does Jesus say that depriving the body of its physical nourishment is good for the body? Do you have a reference please?

LOL!

Jesus never says that.

Were you under some misapprehension that Catholicism proclaims that “depriving the body of its physical nourishment is good for the body”?
Do you have a reference for that please?

Also, could you site the post where I say that “depriving the body of its physical nourishment is good for the body”?

I said that we fast because Jesus did.

Would you like the references for that?

 

[Servant19]

LOL!

Jesus never says that.

Were you under some misapprehension that Catholicism proclaims that “depriving the body of its physical nourishment is good for the body”?
Do you have a reference for that please?

Also, could you site the post where I say that “depriving the body of its physical nourishment is good for the body”?

I said that we fast because Jesus did.

Would you like the references for that?

Maybe its my misunderstanding then lol

You said: “Another reason: it is an expression of conversion of the heart, mind, soul and body to God.”

How is fasting an expression of conversion of the body to God?

Also, why do you think Jesus fasted? Is there any Catholic guidance on this, whats your perspective?



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[PRmerger]

Maybe its my misunderstanding then lol

Yep. Pretty much.

You said: “Another reason: it is an expression of conversion of the heart, mind, soul and body to God.”

How is fasting an expression of conversion of the body to God?

Any kind of spiritual and physical self discipline, a means of self-denial, is a practice which turns our minds, hearts, souls towards the Numinous.

Also, why do you think Jesus fasted? Is there any Catholic guidance on this, whats your perspective?

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catholic.com/quickquestions/why-do-catholics-practice-fasting-and-abstinence-during-lent

 

[Servant19]

Any kind of spiritual and physical self discipline, a means of self-denial, is a practice which turns our minds, hearts, souls towards the Numinous.

…and THIS, what you right here, is the meaning of being “severed from all else but God”

I would hazard a pretty good guess that all the Catholic saints were in this condition at all times and under all conditions.

The history of the Bahai and Babi religions is literally littered with these types of people

Nothing symbolic, just reality



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[PRmerger]

…and THIS, what you right here, is the meaning of being “severed from all else but God”

Ok.

I would hazard a pretty good guess that all the Catholic saints were in this condition at all times and under all conditions.

And then you would have divorced yourself from the Truths of the faith given once for all to us.

No–we do not posit that the Catholic saints were in this condition at all times and under all conditions.

The history of the Bahai and Babi religions is literally littered with these types of people

I doubt that.

As even the Catholic saints, who have access to the infinite grace of God through the Sacraments can’t be “in this condition at all times and under all conditions”, it is reasonable to assume that folks who don’t have the Sacraments couldn’t be either.

 

[Servant19]

Ok.

And then you would have divorced yourself from the Truths of the faith given once for all to us.

No–we do not posit that the Catholic saints were in this condition at all times and under all conditions.

http://media.tumblr.com/c0569ea4b1d95d1133a9d9c861572681/tumblr_inline_mhf45fEQkh1qz4rgp.gif

I doubt that.

As even the Catholic saints, who have access to the infinite grace of God through the Sacraments can’t be “in this condition at all times and under all conditions”, it is reasonable to assume that folks who don’t have the Sacraments couldn’t be either.

There is so much you must see dear sister PR

I suggest you try reading up on the life of Abdu’l-Baha, and then read Memorials of the Faithful

reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/MF/

God bless you

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[PRmerger]

There is so much you must see dear sister PR

I suggest you try reading up on the life of Abdu’l-Baha, and then read Memorials of the Faithful

reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/MF/

God bless you

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Again, I am asking for someone who, as a Bahai, like St. Maximilian Kolbe, literally gave his life for another person out of love.

 

[tonyfish58]

Again, I am asking for someone who, as a Bahai, like St. Maximilian Kolbe, literally gave his life for another person out of love.

This one should do If is self explanatory.

adressformona.org/monasstory/monaslife.htm

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[PRmerger]

This one should do If is self explanatory.

adressformona.org/monasstory/monaslife.htm

God Bless and Regards Tony

I am sorry–I did not see where she offered to die in the place of another person?

Who is the person whose life she saved?

She does sound like a beautiful, gentle, kind soul, though.